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we doesn't solve the problems of poors but a communism doesn't do it eighter, a line from animal farm
THE FARM BECAME RICH BUT MAKING ANIMALS POORER , in 199. When soviet russia collapsed then many people got fal look of russia

@CrYsIs there is a world famous line from animal farm and you may have read it in newspapers ,he wrote it about russia and communist nation


ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
in communist party is superior to everything in communist nation
We all know that not all Communist countries are the same just as not all democratic countries. All have a varied degree of success and failures. There are good and bad Communists just as there are good and bad free people. A communist nation with good governance are equally as good as a democratic country with good governance. Well, India is a democratic country with bad governance.
 
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we doesn't solve the problems of poors but a communism doesn't do it eighter, a line from animal farm
THE FARM BECAME RICH BUT MAKING ANIMALS POORER , in 199. When soviet russia collapsed then many people got fal look of russia

@CrYsIs there is a world famous line from animal farm and you may have read it in newspapers ,he wrote it about russia and communist nation
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
in communist party is superior to everything in communist nation
we have freedom as well as freedom to fight election and why don't you stand for a party instead of blaming system
THE FARM BECAME RICH BUT MAKING ANIMALS POORER ...Doesn't that applies to India

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS ....Doesn't that applies to India too

AND WE, INDIANS LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY ... Looks like we fired a canonball towards the sun, only to have it fall onto ourself
 
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We all know that not all Communist countries are the same just as not all democratic countries. All have a varied degree of success and failures. There are good and bad Communists just as there are good and bad free people. A communist nation with good governance are equally as good as a democratic country with governance. Well, India is a democratic country with bad governance.
killing innocent child in front of parents, does this means good government to you,the terror attack at railway station was also a sign of chinese dictatorship, china have border problem with every nation it shares border, no freedom to newspaper, faulty technology and low quality instruments and selling those to poorer countries and earning money ,does this means a good government to you?
 

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we have court, this court jailed subhrata roy and also sentenced indira gandhi when she was PM and you know what is going with subrata roy so atleast if it comes to court all animals are equal
 
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when india got freedom very few were rich but now nearly 60% are middle class and population increased thrice and china have more land ,more minerals and better stock of petroleum at south china sea @jon88
and when we achieved freedom we were having problems of common salt cause all sources was in land handed to pakistan, industry wasn't developed, many times we have to face drought
 
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we have court, this court jailed subhrata roy and also sentenced indira gandhi when she was PM and you know what is going with subrata roy so atleast if it comes to court all animals are equal
Electing thugs and people with criminal records to almost 35% of parliament is good government? Having one of the highest murder rates in the world is good governance?. Are we any good with our neighbours? Are our newspapers truly unbiased? A biased opinion is more dangerous than no opinion at all. Was not Japan, the producer of low quality goods and seller to poorer nations in the 1970s,....Taiwan, Korea in the 1980's? Are our products any better? There is a fine line between selling poor quality goods and not being able to sell anything at all.

Just as Stalin a product of Communism, Adolf Hitler is a product of democracy. Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party were elected in a fair and just election.

Bottomline is there is good and bad in any system, it is how much the government cares about it's people as a whole that counts. Even then it doesn't end there ...... Do you care about their opinions? or do you care about their physical well-being? Which is the priority?
 
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Electing thugs and people with criminal records to almost 35% of parliament is good government? Having one of the highest murder rates in the world is good governance?. Are we any good with our neighbours? Are our newspapers truly unbiased? A biased opinion is more dangerous than no opinion at all. Was not Japan, the producer of low quality goods and seller to poorer nations in the 1970s,....Taiwan, Korea in the 1980's? Are our products any better?

Just as Stalin a product of Communism, Adolf Hitler is a product of democracy. Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party were elected in a fair and just election.

Bottomline is there is good and bad in any system, it is how much the government cares about it's people as a whole that counts. Even then it doesn't end there ...... Do you care about their opinions? or do you care about their physical well-being? Which is the priority?
@jon88 Don`t you think that India has got too little time to prove itself?We became independent only in 1947 while China was never colonized completely.Give us a bit more time.
Also we have indeed achieved a lot in 60-65 years but we have to achieve even greater things.I am not denying India has problems.We have a lot of issues with murder,rape,child labor,oppression of poor,minorities and lower castes,bad roads and infrastructure,no healthcare etc.However the Indian people are trying their best.We just need more time and probably a bit of external support.Maybe in 30 years under a strong leader India can improve a lot.
 
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when india got freedom very few were rich but now nearly 60% are middle class and population increased thrice and china have more land ,more minerals and better stock of petroleum at south china sea @jon88
and when we achieved freedom we were having problems of common salt cause all sources was in land handed to pakistan, industry wasn't developed, many times we have to face drought
China didn't have democracy but it manage to pull more people out of poverty , a feat unparalleled in world history.

If there is one thing that we Indians are good at, it is at blaming others when we should be blaming ourselves.
 
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@jon88 Don`t you think that India has got too little time to prove itself?We became independent only in 1947 while China was never colonized completely.Give us a bit more time.
Also we have indeed achieved a lot in 60-65 years but we have to achieve even greater things.I am not denying India has problems.We have a lot of issues with murder,rape,child labor,oppression of poor,minorities and lower castes,bad roads and infrastructure,no healthcare etc.However the Indian people are trying their best.We just need more time and probably a bit of external support.Maybe in 30 years under a strong leader India can improve a lot.
Maybe we do need more time. However, with the way our people vote, I do not see a better future in the short term. We still vote based on popularity rather than rationality. Of course we can change that through education and education takes time. A time that sometimes we don't have much of. The quality of education nowadays don't leave much to desire too
 
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Just as Stalin a product of Communism, Adolf Hitler is a product of democracy. Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party were elected in a fair and just election.
Hitler was product of darwinism combined with traditional hatred towards Jews in Europe. Hitler did not get majority in elections, he imposed himself due to strong armed cadres and most importantly, fear created by Communists forced people to choose him as lesser evil.
 

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@jon88 Don`t you think that India has got too little time to prove itself?We became independent only in 1947 while China was never colonized completely.Give us a bit more time.
Also we have indeed achieved a lot in 60-65 years but we have to achieve even greater things.I am not denying India has problems.We have a lot of issues with murder,rape,child labor,oppression of poor,minorities and lower castes,bad roads and infrastructure,no healthcare etc.However the Indian people are trying their best.We just need more time and probably a bit of external support.Maybe in 30 years under a strong leader India can improve a lot.
Some external help is ok but we have to be selective. It seems we always choose friends who have zero-sum-gain mentalities. We should choose friends who have win-win mentalities.
 
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Hitler was product of darwinism combined with traditional hatred towards Jews in Europe. Hitler did not get majority in elections, he imposed himself due to strong armed cadres and most importantly, fear created by Communists forced people to choose him as lesser evil.
Sounds very much like our politicians, doesn't it? minus the armed cadres of course... here we use thugs
 

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Some external help is ok but we have to be selective. It seems we always choose friends who have zero-sum-gain mentalities. We should choose friends who have win-win mentalities.
On this point I agree completely.We have chosen certain friends who cannot feed their own people but go to war with another country thinking they will win.
 

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Having one of the highest murder rates in the world is good governance?.
India has lower murder rate than many western nations. Also, give me Chinese style of rule where thousands are executed and I will bring down murders in a year.
China has gone through phases when millions of people have perished like rats and people have been forced to eat human meat as part of party ideology. The fact remains that among third world nations, India has had most peaceful history in last 70 years given so many ethnic groups and massive muslim population. If Muslims were only 5 percent in China, we would have seen large riots.
Anyway, Indian poverty is because of historical reasons and neither you nor I can correct those factors.
 

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Some countries like Argentina did much worse than India over the same period. They collapsed and went bankrupt several times and are still in the G20 somehow. The majority, think of Africa or Central America did not develop at all. Therefore if compared with Singapore, South Korea or China it looks not good, but compared with Afghanistan or Congo its perfect.

Of an estimated 140 developing counties India would make it just into the top 25 by my estimate for what was done between 1947 and 2014. Not the best but still good.
 

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Sounds very much like our politicians, doesn't it? minus the armed cadres of course... here we use thugs
Hindu society is so tribal that fascism can not grow here. Only those societies where there is no intermediary identity of caste, clan and religion, can they flourish. Politics is a very dirty game man so never expect good from them in any part of world. It just happened that certain societies were ahead of us even in history. You are amazed by China's rise but it is merely attaining its lost position. At a time when we were writing on birch bark, Chinese used printed books and had a government which could censor books. We need a Chinese to tell us what happened in seventh century Gangetic plains.
We were always third world in Eurasia so nothing surprising about our affairs. It is only those who have not read history are amazed by this, I repeat it- We were always third rate civilization with oppressive governments, be they native or foreign.
 

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Hitler was product of darwinism combined with traditional hatred towards Jews in Europe. Hitler did not get majority in elections, he imposed himself due to strong armed cadres and most importantly, fear created by Communists forced people to choose him as lesser evil.
Let's change this a bit and see whether it applies

Modi was product of populism combined with traditional hatred towards Muslims in India. Modi did not get majority in elections, he imposed himself due to strong extremist hindus and most importantly, fear created by China forced people to choose him as lesser evil.

Hmmm... the last part doesn't sound that so good or fitting
 

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Some countries like Argentina did much worse than India over the same period. They collapsed and went bankrupt several times and are still in the G20 somehow. The majority, think of Africa or Central America did not develop at all. Therefore if compared with Singapore, South Korea or China it looks not good, but compared with Afghanistan or Congo its perfect.

Of an estimated 140 developing counties India would make it just into the top 25 by my estimate for what was done between 1947 and 2014. Not the best but still good.
Are you a Viet? If yes, accept my tribute to your 2 thousand years of heroic resistance to Hans a people who have swallowed large civilizations. But for Dai Viet, it would have expanded to SE Asia. I am simply amazed at such a glorious martial history.

As for topic, well India has remained intact and while it did not achieve much thanks to corrupt socialist Nehruvian regimes, it has still not performed to its best. I expect India to rise once tribal mentality in India gets down and we develop strength in core manufacturing araes like steel and auto. Narendra Modi has such a vision and if we combine it with a strong tie with Vietnam, we can outsmart some han moves in Asia.
 

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Hindu society is so tribal that fascism can not grow here. Only those societies where there is no intermediary identity of caste, clan and religion, can they flourish. Politics is a very dirty game man so never expect good from them in any part of world. It just happened that certain societies were ahead of us even in history. You are amazed by China's rise but it is merely attaining its lost position. At a time when we were writing on birch bark, Chinese used printed books and had a government which could censor books. We need a Chinese to tell us what happened in seventh century Gangetic plains.
We were always third world in Eurasia so nothing surprising about our affairs. It is only those who have not read history are amazed by this, I repeat it- We were always third rate civilization with oppressive governments, be they native or foreign.
Yup I actually agree with you. Where in the world and in such a long history that people from other lands and so massively outnumbered, ruled over the people of one of the most populated land on earth.
 

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Let's change this a bit and see whether it applies

Modi was product of populism combined with traditional hatred towards Muslims in India. Modi did not get majority in elections, he imposed himself due to strong extremist hindus and most importantly, fear created by China forced people to choose him as lesser evil.

Hmmm... the last part doesn't sound that so good or fitting
The fact is that Modi has no book such as Mein Kampf where he justifies massacres based on spurious categories of race and semitic nose. Infact, Modi has always bowed down to Muslims so I do not know what you are talking about.
No one could have said Hitler "frog" like Arjun Modavadhia did and move in a state ruled by him. BTW, what is your problem? Are you saying that just because some man got his car crashed when he was not drunk, the general correlation between being drunk and accidents simply does not hold water?
 

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