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they dont have good doctors for eyes in Pakistan.I think you are mistaken or jealous of Indian achievement (being a Paki that's understandable).
That's ERA Mk-II developed by DRDO
they dont have good doctors for eyes in Pakistan.I think you are mistaken or jealous of Indian achievement (being a Paki that's understandable).
That's ERA Mk-II developed by DRDO
That ammo is old and is being replaced with new Mk2 penetrators co developed with Mk2. Also being inducted are thermobaric rounds.it is the issue, making an apfsds-t is by no means easy, ask OFB engneers.
i stand corrected, the penetration value is not 320 but 300mm at 2000 m
There is a better round 125mm Mk2 at 500mm plus for T-72, which is at the level of current Mango/IMI rounds in inventory. An improved round with performance equal to the newer IMI rounds available via import is now in trials.Im crusious if DRDO or indian industry even developed now better APFSDS for Arjun, and T-72/90?
It shoud be logical.
That's grossly inaccurate logic...because most of DRDOs stuff isn't on their website.Yes they have imported it from Russia, otherwise this new ERA would be on DRDO site.
dimensions/thickness etc are same as a K-5 plate, source for this being "indigenous"
Arjun's new 120mm FSAPDS is part of the overall Mk2 program. Mk2 final trials, out of five total, are due in May 2014, and program is on track with 3 sets of trials conducted already. Net, the FSAPDS would have been tested.Looking on this forum posts this thinking is present for many (IMHO to many) time.
As I understand Indian Army bought super-expensive now 3BM42 from Russia? And Arjun "new" 120mm APFSDS is not ended or even tested yet?
There is a better round 125mm Mk2 at 500mm plus for T-72, which is at the level of current Mango/IMI rounds in inventory. An improved round with performance equal to the newer IMI rounds available via import is now in trials.
A lot of assumptions in your post. If India merely wanted to copy K-5, it could do so way back when it started getting K-5. Institutional issues with reverse engineering apart, which DRDO rarely does and often gets criticized for making their own products and taking more time, their is the issue of IP. Russia threw a fit when OFB(not DRDO) copied the Ak-47. Even HAL is sticking to its terms of Su-30 manufacture importing Russian raw materials and will indigenise spares, replacement LRUs. Even with Konkurs, Milan the BDL stuck to mandated agreement figures for local vs imported items (by 15percent of value). Net, it's not going to be a copy of the K-5.And what those part really mean?
India got copied Konkat-1 ERA and Kontakt-5 ERA - dimension and (at least in indian copy Kontakt-1 ERA case) internal layout is teh same as in Soviet enalogues. Both ERA now are not very modern. Kontakt-1 is obsolate and con be enought only versus single HEAT warhed, Kontakt-5 is not really sphisticated now. What is the most important: there is no explanation about test result - just "Performance (..) has been demnstrated". More or les unkown result.
What again is importnat - in NATO countries in half of the 1990s there was DOI ammo (APFSDS) able to perofrate Kontakt-5 without loosing penetration capabilities, the same new modern double HEAT warhed where introduced in to service - devleoped to overcome "new" Kontakt-5.
Pakistan and Indian armen is one-two decades ago in compare to the NATO ones, but sooner or layter sucht modern ammo (immune on ERA) will be zable for both countries, and what then?
That's the one. Performance at the 500mm level..obviously slightly more.. the exact number won't be up on promotional materials. This round dates from 2010 IIRC. Also is being supplanted with an improved variant. IIRC that is already in IA user trials circa 2013.
It will be almoust the same like on polish 125mm APFSDS ammo:That's the one. Performance at the 500mm level..obviously slightly more.. the exact number won't be up on promotional materials.
Any details? light alloys sabot or composite? assumed penetrator lenght? Or it will be 125mm penetrator and sabot converted to 120mm rifted ammo? Im just crusiousArjun's new 120mm FSAPDS is part of the overall Mk2 program. Mk2 final trials, out of five total, are due in May 2014, and program is on track with 3 sets of trials conducted already. Net, the FSAPDS would have been tested.
And who told you that they didn't simply reverse-engineer Kontakt-5? The snipplet about Indian ERA posted on the previous place says that it is "having equivalent performance". So it does not actually matter if it is a Kontakt-5 clone or not (even though the odds of getting the exact same performance with a different working mechanism are extremly minuscule). It's seems to be very likely a case of India not having made a ToT contract for Kontakt-5 and hence being forced to copy K-5 in order to keep up with the requirements for armour protection.If India merely wanted to copy K-5, it could do so way back when it started getting K-5. Institutional issues with reverse engineering apart, which DRDO rarely does and often gets criticized for making their own products and taking more time, their is the issue of IP.
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Net, it's not going to be a copy of the K-5.
Again - the "new" Polish ammo or for that matter new Russian ammo has no direct relevance to ARDEs efforts because there is no given theorem that they will exactly follow what others have done or that they have even taken Russian or Polish assistance (for example).It will be almoust the same like on polish 125mm APFSDS ammo:
in certified is used polish norm, what is copied ex soviet norm: more then 75% rounds must pass the limit, NATO norm is not so heavy -just 50% +1, difrence in both norms is about 8% in penetration.
So this polish 125mm APFSDS have 520mm RHA (75% rounds) to 560mm RHA (50% rounds) on 2000m.
If this was able decade ago in Poland then it's sure that it is possible in India - what more - it's based on IMI technology too - just like present indian 125mm APFSDS amunition.
IMHO those "new" indian APFSDS 125mm will have 520-560mm RHA on 2000m - just like polish round.
I am going by logic and knowledge of past development practises of the DRDO & Indian industry in particular. Whereas you are going by pre-decided views. Indian MOD & GOI owned Indian industry (as versus unregulated pvt sector) is very careful about IP as they work closely with foreign partner organizations & in the past even minor deviations have caused furore. Its a different matter whether this dependence is healthy & such risk averse behavior is really required.And who told you that they didn't simply reverse-engineer Kontakt-5? The snipplet about Indian ERA posted on the previous place says that it is "having equivalent performance". So it does not actually matter if it is a Kontakt-5 clone or not (even though the odds of getting the exact same performance with a different working mechanism are extremly minuscule). It's seems to be very likely a case of India not having made a ToT contract for Kontakt-5 and hence being forced to copy K-5 in order to keep up with the requirements for armour protection.
And who told you that they didn't simply reverse-engineer Kontakt-5? The snipplet about Indian ERA posted on the previous place says that it is "having equivalent performance". So it does not actually matter if it is a Kontakt-5 clone or not (even though the odds of getting the exact same performance with a different working mechanism are extremly minuscule). It's seems to be very likely a case of India not having made a ToT contract for Kontakt-5 and hence being forced to copy K-5 in order to keep up with the requirements for armour protection.
I'd have to make a few assumptions, even if based on some data , so I am going to hold off for a while before I state anything.. plus, IA/DRDO are not going to like yahoos like me shooting their mouth off on the net, even if deductive reasoning.Any details? light alloys sabot or composite? assumed penetrator lenght? Or it will be 125mm penetrator and sabot converted to 120mm rifted ammo? Im just crusious
thermobaric round is a fancy term, its more of a HEAT round, used to eliminate fortified bunkers, buildings etc. No big dealThere is a better round 125mm Mk2 at 500mm plus for T-72, which is at the level of current Mango/IMI rounds in inventory. An improved round with performance equal to the newer IMI rounds available via import is now in trials.
Thank You for this very valuable post! It explain my a lot about IA ammo and indian industry ammo.(...)
Dk dont feed him, he is just here to post trash........