Blood Rain
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I'm as relaxed as one can be, it's not my arse that would be on the line when shit hits the fan after all!!So why should I get restless, Brother??My dear Brother first of all RELAX,
Oh how much I like this word - Hugh Jackman rocks by the way.I share mutual feelings if we speak about your afore mentioned post. Arjun any day and any time is BETTER then the TIN-90. But
It's the most important word in a sentence as anything said before it is just meaningless, ain't it Brother??
It's like saying to a gal, "Oh I like you very much dear, I can't even begin to describe how much I like you gal
(sorry, couldn't help it, lolz) you have got small titties and a fat ass, so I can't marry you, I'm sorry." That's exactly what you just did there!!
despite all the factors the bitter reality is that the entire ecosystem related to Armoured ops by Armoured Divs or RAPIDS which includes your Assalut Engineer Regiments
No offense but (yeah yeah, I know) I smell :bs:. Remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_Sarvatra ??By the way, I won't write them off as Tin-90s, they aren't really that bad, especially the Indian built ones as they are more heavily armored (the same armor package as that of Arjun), it's just that they are fitted with a completely outdated main gun as the we didn't get the tot for the 2A46M2 guns but my biggest bone of contention is their ammo stowage arrangement, which makes them metallic death traps on tracks!!their BLTS (current inventory) is tailored arount the Tin-90s.
I don't disagree, I have basically zero idea about the orbat of the Indian Army's RAPID and strike formations and their intended objectives I know science, Physics to be more precise and that leads me to conclude that wherever a T72 monkey or a T 90S can reach an Arjun can reach even faster and with less difficulties due to a host of factors involved including the latter's superior power to weight ration, suspension, transmission and significantly less ground pressure!!Just because the T series tanks are lighter, doesn't make them more mobile!!your understanding on Mil matter is zero specially in respect to the Tactics involved in Desert warfare
Yeah, I have got basically zero idea about operational doctrines of Indian Army (or any armies for that matter)
I have common sense, which tells me that the Pakistanis won't be dumb enough to leave their bridges intact for you people to capture them and then steamroll through their defenses on the other side!!I'm quite certain that they will have those bridges rigged in case the shit hits the fan and if the situation really turns that dire that they would need to withdraw to the other side, they will blow them sky high!!Because that's what I would do, that's what anyone with half a brain would do and that's what they did in 65!!So I don't see it panning out any differently in case any potential future stand off.
Neither am I because I'm talking about the collective capabilities of the tanks and if you guys keep on insisting on your grand delusion of a fast moving heavy hitting ball busting (I'm running out of adjectives) below 50 tonners, then you guys will get collectively royally FUCKED both through your mouths and through arse simultaneously, figuratively speaking.NOTE : I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL CAPABILITY OF A TANK!
Ok, perdon my ignorance but what's so new and revealing about this part again??I mean where were you going with this??Did you really mean to say that a heavier tank won't be able to fulfill those tasks??Yeah right, since when the heavies began to perform better against enemy defenses except since FOREVER!!If you wish to discuss tactics and what is required for which all phase of attack which involves
1. crossing over your own DCBs
2. Contacting BOPS
3. Elimination of any ,LAT HAT element in enemy security and the
4. Approaching the Enemy DCB carrying out LEAN ON ops, BREAK IN OPS, BRIDGING AND THEN FINALLY BREAKING OUT
First of all, I never threw any gyan as you put it!!What I threw is called assertions, it's called logical deduction, because logically that's what anyone would do unless they suffer from despotism!!Now, I projected it with such level of certainity because that's what they did in the past, so why would it be any difference is simply beyond me!!The armour requirement type and kind, The authority with which you threw the gyan owing to pakis
Again, I'm not and why should I be??But that does not invalidate any of my earlier assertions!!I like how you like to issue such blanket statements and straw man fallacies without giving any proper reasons or even trying to refute other's claims or assertions.iam wondering if you aware about thier Pattern nof ops and complete equipment profile because your message simply shows you are not.
Again with the buts.Why don't you understand that what you are suggesting is simply impossible to achieve given our current level of knowledge and advancement in material sciences??!!It's not warthunder or marvel universe; it's real life; Stalinium or Vibrenium or any other such wonder niums which are lighter than paper but stronger than fucking universe does not exist!!The developers are limited by the number of elements present in this universe and they have to pick and choose form withing that list which means, you simply can not have the required level of protection unless you are willing to ramp up the overall weight of your platform, it's as simple as that!!Why do you think the nations which have got almost a century worth worth of experience in developing AFVs can not keep the weight bound withing the 50 ton mark, despite having tons of experience and resources??I am all for Arjuns !! I am a myself a Arjun fan Specially MK2. But iam also aware about the resources which are required to be pumped in for supporting an operation of a RAPID with all Arjuns. Do we have the money at this stage NO!! But yes a new version with better design to replace T-72s in future is required before the Army falls for Armata. And DRDO has to provide the Tank on Time.
Why do you think such lighter tank concepts like the American MGS or similar light mbt programs had to be shelved??
Why do you think even the Russians have discarded this below 50 tonner concept as their T 14s now weighs at close to 60 tons despite having a crewless turret??
Why do you think the Chinese equipped their elite tank units with ZTZ 99 variants which again weigh close to 60 tons??
Why do you reckon the Pakistanis were looking to buy the 62 ton Altay before the project got into trouble??
Why do you think all the western MBTs weigh over 65 tons with the successive trenches getting even heavier as the latest report suggests, the Abrams SEPV3 might well cross 72 ton mark??!!And so is the case with any NATO mbts as they will be getting heavier as well.
I'll tell you why - because in order to keep up with the ever evolving threat of various anti armor munitions, the developers are left with no other option but to bulk up the armor profile of their vehicles, which in turn would add weight, lots of 'em!!Because it is simply impossible to cater for the ever increasing threats without bulking up the weight, there is simply no way around!!As the saying goes, you can not have your cake and eat it as well, got it??
And as for money, then I suggest our Army to pull its socks up and start prioritizing its requirements!!World over, Armies usually build doctrines around their weapon systems and tweak their doctrine as they receive newer equipment but only in the Indian Army I see that they want systems to suit their doctrine!!This just goes to show the inherent lack of imagination and a galactic level of unwillingness to adapt to changing environments, as it demands hard works!!Frankly speaking, I find our Army top brass to be extremely unimaginative when it comes to formulating doctrines or a GSQR and it's disturbing to say the least.
The Army was operating just fine with their 54 ton Centurion MkVIIIs, then they made the transition to Vickers and T 55s and then they had no problems in changing their doctrines.I wonder why it has become such a huge problem now??I'm going exactly where you think I'm going, have no doubt about that, pal!!
But hey, don't listen to me buddy, I'm afuckking nobody who doesn't know anything about well, fucking anything!!Have it your way, get as many of your wunderwaffes 50 tonners as you want to.Just do not come complaining to the DRDO techies when the tankies start getting turned into gelly of biomass, their charred and mangled remains (if anything remains at all) start coming to their homes in sealed up coffins and the women in their families begin with which is perhaps the most disgusting and annoying thing I have ever experienced - the characteristic rona dhona on the top of their lungs with the usual bells and whistles that comes with it like rolling on the dirt and wild beating their chests like fuckking gorillas, the news channels broadcast those footage to the whole wide world and our nation and the army turned into laughing stock.
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