An Ideal Recce aircraft for COIN?

[HeinzGud]

You have to see how Flair pods work, It have a Hi res camera with object tracking software with 10x to 50x zooming and recording, It have thermal also Night Vision camera which work in similar way but thermal seek heat and NV illuminate the terrain, The purpose is for surveillance over any terrain regardless of the environmental, In powerful thermal you can notice heat signature behind tree and wall..

Well even if the pod could locate heat, how to identify the object is friend or foe? i don't think Maoist would gather in large numbers inside the jungle!

I assume same for Regular Infantry, Its same here in Infantry also SF..

Regular infantry won't venture into the jungles with out a clear aim (objectives). Often they are backed by heavy weapons and Armour.

LLRP teams usually sent in to gather recce or to carry out covert attacks.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Well even if the pod could locate heat, how to identify the object is friend or foe? i don't think Maoist would gather in large numbers inside the jungle!

Well one cannot comment except the field guy on this, One always know where and what things are and happening..

Regular infantry won't venture into the jungles with out a clear aim (objectives). Often they are backed by heavy weapons and Armour.LLRP teams usually sent in to gather recce or to carry out covert attacks.

I don't think you know abt it, Its a Infantry text book tactics, Regular Infantry do both squad recon LRP and Platoon size Recon LRP both LRP teams operate differently when contact with Enemy how they react is another topic..

SLA officers are made in IMA too, We give them the same training we do, Now its Infantry, arty or Armour, aviation..

 

[Ray]

All military operations and activities is with an aim.

Regular infantry will go into the jungle if they have to locate Maoists, terrorists, et all.

There are drills by which an area earmarked for searching is searched and one does not require heavy weapons in jungles, where apart from the ROE that prevent the use of heavy weapons against own misguided people, the forest canopy does not allow the use of high trajectory weapons.

Most of the areas have primary and secondary jungles.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[HeinzGud]

Does these birds carry armor plating of some sort??

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Does these birds carry armor plating of some sort??

Cant say, Only know from dedicated website, though i assume Kevlar..

 

[HeinzGud]

So you suggested using this for COIN huh?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

So you suggested using this for COIN huh?

Do you know abt the aircraft ?

 

[lemontree]

You don't patrol before you gather Recce.

To recce you send patrols.

That is why Dantewada massacre took place.

The CRPF unit made major tactical errors that is why they got massacred,

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Another Example..

ATE develops light attack concept aircraft





Gareth Jennings Jane's Aviation Desk Editor
Le Bourget, Paris


French systems integrator ATE is promoting a new light attack and armed reconnaissance platform that it has developed around a civilian glider-towing aircraft.Speaking to Jane's on 21 June at the Paris Air Show, where the aircraft was on static display, Jean-Yves Bru, Project Director Research and Technology, said that the aircraft is currently a demonstrator designed to prove the concept.Based on a Dyno-Aero light aircraft, the Pulsatrix concept has already received some international interest, Bru said, although he declined to specify.

Pulsatrix sees the twin-seat aircraft kitted out with a centreline under-fuselage mounted electro-optic/infrared (EO/IR) sensor turret and two under-wing (one per wing) stores hardpoints. The aircraft that was on display at Paris was equipped with two 2.75 inch (70 mm) rocket pods and there were .50-calibre machine gun pods positioned close to the aircraft. It can also carry 20 mm cannons and Ingwe guided anti-tank missiles.

The aircraft is fitted with a largely digital 'glass' cockpit and is equipped with a head-up display for the pilot. It is powered by a single 180 hp turboprop engine.Billed as a low-cost light attack and armed reconnaissance solution, ATE says the Pulsatrix can also provide a border patrol, coastal surveillance and site and convoy protection capability.

 

[asianobserve]

Looks like a glider with engine. But this aircraft is too light for COIN. The pilot must always pray that his enemies are not carrying a .50 cal. MG or sniper rifle. Otherwise he'll be toasted.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its a recce aircraft, And that`s a technology demonstration..

 

[Ray]

I would go for an agriculture sprayer aircraft for recce.

It would be useful to the country even after Maoists have been brought to heel!

Since the Indian Govt policy is that we can't use aircraft in an offensive role, or heavy weapons, it is futile to have aircraft or system that has any lethal potential.

Given the way the Indian Govts go, this policy does not seem to have any chance of being changed!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

I would go for an agriculture sprayer aircraft for recce.

Sir, here you are.

Polish M-18 Dromader

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Since the Indian Govt policy is that we can't use aircraft in an offensive role, or heavy weapons, it is futile to have aircraft or system that has any lethal potential.

If that were not the case, the A-10 might be effective.

 

[Dovah]

If that were not the case, the A-10 might be effective.

A-10s were not for sale. Now they are not in production.
My favorite planes they were.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Grumman Ag-Cat

 

[Kunal Biswas]

If that were not the case, the A-10 might be effective.

Agriculture sprayer Still have potential.. :cool2:

 

[arnabmit]

Why are people asking about armor of such light observation aircrafts? They fly/operate beyond the range of small arms fire. Max range of 7.62 is 1km with pathetic accuracy, same for 12.7 is 3km. Wouldn't recce aircrafts fly at above 4km?

Maoists/Naxalites are not known to operate 20mm or higher caliber AA guns, do they?

 

[Ray]

India does not have any philosophy to use aircraft bomb/ strafe its own, even if they are anti national.

Therefore, UAV are fine to detect.

Helicopters are fine to evacuate and for liaison.

Helicopters can land anywhere.

Aircraft cant!