AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[spacemarine2023]

post that interview video here

 

[SavageKing456]

This is an old interview

 

[spacemarine2023]

This is an old interview

From 2023 only… but we got the info. Directly from the head guy…

2027 will see a Prototype..
Hopefully first flight with in a year…
Then test cycle for 5-7 years then IOC and induction into service

 

[FalconSlayers]

Hopefully India has back up plans for Engine and Ejection seat for AMCA.
Cant trust West to honour contracts.

Saw interview of ADA boss … Roll out by Mid 2027 ..
Production partners already working with ADA from development stage.
Induction before 2035 🥱🥱🥱

Even that is provisional and expected, just like earlier expectations we can assume more delays. Project is yet to get approval.

 

[johnj]

From 2023 only… but we got the info. Directly from the head guy…

2027 will see a Prototype..
Hopefully first flight with in a year…
Then test cycle for 5-7 years then IOC and induction into service

AMCA is a 5th gen fighter jet development program. not a 4.5gen like KF 21, it need TD stage, then prototype, and it take a decade to reach IOC.
Simply look into other 5th gen programs, it takes more than 2x 5-7 years to achieve FOC.
Both IOC and FOC given by IAF, not R&D or manufacturing org, if any of R&D/production/assembly unit mention about IOC or FOC, then they are hiding something or lying. it is better to neglect their statement
Reality is, first LCAmk1, then LCAmk2+TEDBF, after FOC, AMCA mk1+AMCA mk2
Presently ADA completed LCA development program and started mk2 development in full scale, and giving top priority to increase indigenous content, and AMCA prototype stage only happen after 2030, but that is not the major issue facing AMCA program, but engine JV is.

 

[spacemarine2023]

AMCA is a 5th gen fighter jet development program. not a 4.5gen like KF 21, it need TD stage, then prototype, and it take a decade to reach IOC.
Simply look into other 5th gen programs, it takes more than 2x 5-7 years to achieve FOC.
Both IOC and FOC given by IAF, not R&D or manufacturing org, if any of R&D/production/assembly unit mention about IOC or FOC, then they are hiding something or lying. it is better to neglect their statement
Reality is, first LCAmk1, then LCAmk2+TEDBF, after FOC, AMCA mk1+AMCA mk2
Presently ADA completed LCA development program and started mk2 development in full scale, and giving top priority to increase indigenous content, and AMCA prototype stage only happen after 2030, but that is not the major issue facing AMCA program, but engine JV is.

IMO ADA chief looks confident when he said in interview that prototype will roll out in 2027, This is one of the key strategic program of India I see Govt is backing this fully if IAF is still doubtful.

And regarding the induction with in a decade he explained the production partners are already involved from development stage which basically means the production phase jump will be much quicker when compared to earlier projects

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

IMO ADA chief looks confident when he said in interview that prototype will roll out in 2027, This is one of the key strategic program of India I see Govt is backing this fully if IAF is still doubtful.

And regarding the induction with in a decade he explained the production partners are already involved from development stage which basically means the production phase jump will be much quicker when compared to earlier projects

The only problem I see is gov giving approval ffs year is about to end we have been waiting for 1 year for ccs approval

 

[spacemarine2023]

The only problem I see is gov giving approval ffs year is about to end we have been waiting for 1 year for ccs approval

Its clear CCS approval is not impacting work on working ahead on technologies and components required to construct a prototype.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Its clear CCS approval is not impacting work on working ahead on technologies and components required to construct a prototype.

No But it does effect when they can roll out a prototype

 

[spacemarine2023]

No But it does effect when they can roll out a prototype

lets wait till 2027 then …

 

[SavageKing456]

AMCA is a 5th gen fighter jet development program. not a 4.5gen like KF 21, it need TD stage, then prototype, and it take a decade to reach IOC.
Simply look into other 5th gen programs, it takes more than 2x 5-7 years to achieve FOC.
Both IOC and FOC given by IAF, not R&D or manufacturing org, if any of R&D/production/assembly unit mention about IOC or FOC, then they are hiding something or lying. it is better to neglect their statement
Reality is, first LCAmk1, then LCAmk2+TEDBF, after FOC, AMCA mk1+AMCA mk2
Presently ADA completed LCA development program and started mk2 development in full scale, and giving top priority to increase indigenous content, and AMCA prototype stage only happen after 2030, but that is not the major issue facing AMCA program, but engine JV is.

They be will simultaneously prototyping

 

[johnj]

IMO ADA chief looks confident when he said in interview that prototype will roll out in 2027, This is one of the key strategic program of India I see Govt is backing this fully if IAF is still doubtful.

And regarding the induction with in a decade he explained the production partners are already involved from development stage which basically means the production phase jump will be much quicker when compared to earlier projects

LOL, In GoI nothing happen on time
FINALLY, IOC FOR TEJAS

And
Final Operational Clearance of LCA Tejas MK I for Indian Air Force
This is how reality works
Now about the confidence- DRDO/R&D leader/leading entities always shows overconfidence to support their program. For ex, simply look at LM, they are already behind their promised time line. Its normal to show overconfidence in the early stage of a program, and works in the minds of non STEM people
If you consider DRDO Ghatak, DRDO first developed a TD, and likewise AMCA also need TD before prototype stage.
Most of these shows[the video posted] done by DRDO/R&D org to get support from MoD. and PMO.
AMCA is not a key strategic program, like Nuclear weapon program, all the major key strategic program comes under PMO supervision, LCA is more important than AMCA for GoI, IAF need 300 to 400+ LCA compared to 7sqn of AMCA and also still GoI unable to conclude a engine JV. Don't forget a 5th gen jet need a 5th gen engine, from kaveri thread

and

And Both ADA and GTRE need funds for TD stage.

Production stage, funny thing is, it entirely depends on user, IAF, not in the hands of ADA, even HAL can't help it, it entirely deepens on order. For ex, if IAF placed 173 LCA mk1a in the first place, HAL build production line capable of building 40 lca pa, Now if you consider AMCA, its only 2 sqn for F414, now compare it with LCA mk1 vs LCA mk2, and current statement of DRDO chairman.
Here, we are not talking about toys, or 4th gen jet, but a 5th gen stealth jet, yes a program with strategic importance, means minimal involvement outside gov sector, & ADA considering private sector, means it takes time, a lots of time to complete AMCA development, from TD stage, and LCA mk2 helps to create a roadmap for AMAC development, including private and gov sector from R&D stage for ADA.

 

[johnj]

They be will simultaneously prototyping

I don't think ADA want to make mistake twice.
Simply look into LCA mk2 pgrm, they are not hurry to build a prototype, insisted they are considering all the possibility of shortcomings first.

 

[SavageKing456]

I don't think ADA want to make mistake twice.
Simply look into LCA mk2 pgrm, they are not hurry to build a prototype, insisted they are considering all the possibility of shortcomings first.

Well they're marking parts and some parts of amca is ready
Assembling will come later

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

lets wait till 2027 then …

I have trained myself in the art of waiting now no one can beat me.

 

[johnj]

Well they're marking parts and some parts of amca is ready
Assembling will come later

NO, in R&D stage currently. We are not getting any help from EU or US to rapidly start assembly stage for AMCA, like turkey or SK.
Also still no engine for AMCA. First ADA need to send request to GE and GE need US congress permission to start work on AMCA, and these thing take time.

 

[SavageKing456]

NO, in R&D stage currently. We are not getting any help from EU or US to rapidly start assembly stage for AMCA, like turkey or SK.
Also still no engine for AMCA. First ADA need to send request to GE and GE need US congress permission to start work on AMCA, and these thing take time.

Bro which world you living in?
Multiple parts for AMCA has been developed

 

[johnj]

I have trained myself in the art of waiting now no one can beat me.

I'm waiting for LCA to enter mass production since 2001, and from 2024 lca program achieve that goal [16~20 jets per year]

 

[johnj]

Bro which world you living in?
Multiple parts for AMCA has been developed

Where is the proof ??

 

[spacemarine2023]

Where is the proof ??

you should watch the ADA chief interview I posted.
Your lack of knowledge doesn’t mean some body will feed you multiple media reports available online.