Al-Khalid MBT And Pakistani Armour

[farhan_9909]

new vehicle revealed during the Sri Lanka army chief visit to HIT.
Might be still under testing or not yet delivered to the forces

Sri Lanka army chief in HIT infront of al Zarar upgrade Program(the images are of 2012.and it confirms that al Zarar Program is still ON.in 2008 a total of 320 AL Zarar were delivered.the numbers must have crossed 600 by now.)

older Mohafiz

 

[farhan_9909]

any idea of that is this about.news agencies claim the technique of jamming opponent engine
can anyone shed some light on this.the new electronics device was developed recently
also operating uav from AK was performed in this exercise

COAS Witnesses Training Exercises In Muzaffargarh Ranges (24-04-2012) - Pakistan Army - YouTube

 

[steel]

battle of chwinda

taking back to 65.

Indo-Pakistani War 1965 - Battle of Chawinda | Tank Battles | tanks.net

Indo-Pakistani War 1965 - Battle of Asal Uttar | Tank Battles | tanks.net:taunt1:

 

[SATISH]

any idea of that is this about.news agencies claim the technique of jamming opponent engine
can anyone shed some light on this.the new electronics device was developed recently
also operating uav from AK was performed in this exercise

COAS Witnesses Training Exercises In Muzaffargarh Ranges (24-04-2012) - Pakistan Army - YouTube

The media dosent know what it is talking about..laser dazzlers are used on AT missiles with an IR seeker to blind it.

 

[farhan_9909]

The media dosent know what it is talking about..laser dazzlers are used on AT missiles with an IR seeker to blind it.

no these are not LTS
because that is a past tense now.
This was something else.i guess Russian did the same some long time back.

 

[p2prada]

new mrap from hit.similar to Israel wild cat

Haha! It looks like a gopher.

 

[Apollyon]

new mrap from hit.similar to Israel wild cat

Named "Muhafiz," the APCs proved a deadly embarrassment for the police and after more than seven were destroyed by the armed gangs , an urgent joint investigation was launched.

The basic weakness of these APCs, also supplied to the Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa police, was that its protective shield was too thin and fragile and could not even stop low-calibre bullets as experienced during the Lyari Operation.

Bullet-proof cars became death traps in May 2012 operation - thenews.com.pk

Please dont insult IMI Wild Cat ... :why::why::why::why:

 

[farhan_9909]

Bullet-proof cars became death traps in May 2012 operation - thenews.com.pk

Please dont insult IMI Wild Cat ... :why::why::why::why:

face palm
the HIT did the investigation.After that

ISLAMABAD: The Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) which manufactured the defective APCs used in Lyari, has issued a belated clarification saying no policeman died inside any the APC.



It says: "Consequent to the news item appearing in International The News dated 20 July, 2012 "Bullet Proof Cars Became Death Traps in Operation" in which it has been reported that at least 13 policemen lost their lives while they were in Mohafiz Vehicles is false and the facts have been distorted with definite malafide intentions to misguide the readers.



Some of the facts are highlighted as under:



Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) is an establishment of Ministry of Defence Production, Govt of Pakistan and not a private company.



a. The operational capability of Mohafiz vehicle has been undermined in The News report and therefore requires clear understanding that Mohafiz Vehicle provided to Sindh Police is according to the specifications laid down in the contract signed with Sindh Police. The performance of the vehicle in Lyari operation is according to the claimed protection levels.



b. The specification of the vehicle as per claimed protection levels have been tested by Sindh Police on a hull of Mohafiz manufactured as per the actual vehicle on 15 Nov 2011 at Police Academy Razzaq Abad prior to delivery of these vehicles. The firing test was conducted in the presence of Honourable Home Minister, Manzoor Wassan, IG Police and DIG Operations. More than 200 bullets were fired and the protection levels were verified.



c. No low-caliber /standard bullets penetrated Mohafiz vehicle in Lyari Operation and the Joint Investigation Report (JIT) prepared by HIT and Sindh Police verifies the facts.



d. All 18 Vehicles (10 Mohafiz, 8 Talha) which have been used and fired upon in Lyari Operations have been thoroughly inspected and claimed protection levels are verified. No police person died while performing duties inside Mohafiz Vehicle.



e. The materials used in manufacture of Mohafiz are according to the specifications laid down internationally for the desired protection levels. All materials used are Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) certified and further tested by the HIT before manufacturing. Each product of the HIT is backed by proper warranty/ guarantee as laid down in the contract with users including Sindh Police.



f. Mohafiz has saved the lives of police and Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) personnel throughout Pakistan in any operations where it has been effectively utilized according to its capabilities.



g. Report published in The News therefore is ambiguous, as the reporter has no knowledge of Armoured Vehicles, APCs and Tanks and neither has an understanding of protection levels of these Vehicles. The HIT produces various types of armoured vehicles, according to requirements of the users, meeting international protection standards. Technology utilized in product manufacturing has been acquired directly from the OEMs. There is no role of traders in the production of the armoured vehicles.



h. All the Mohafiz supplied to Sindh Police have been manufactured based on aluminum armour and ballistic steel which is in accordance with contracted specifications. The damaged vehicles of the Lyari Operation will be repaired according to well engineered practices and also upgraded, if Sindh Police so desires.



i. The HIT has full capability of manufacturing armoured vehicles for LEAs according to the requirements whether it is B6, B7 or other levels of protection. Comparing the HIT products with luxury cars or vehicles is a complete misperception on part of the reporter."



In an additional response sent to the Editor late on Sunday, the company spokesperson said the HIT stands by the Joint Inspection Report signed between Sindh Police and HIT representatives and find no oddity. The News should understand that any vulnerability of equipment under use of law enforcement agencies should never be exposed to general public as terrorist will also get benefited from the information. The spokesperson said HIT would like to caution "The News" that their act of revealing the Joint Investigation Report would only harm "Law Enforcement Agencies" further.

 

[Blackwater]

@ farhan 9999999. aren't they old land rover jeeps ??

 

[farhan_9909]

the Mohafiz was manufactured as per tha specs of the sindh police(under b6 level protection)

and armour piercing bullets were used.

While the Mohafiz has been successfully exported to Iraq as well and there were no complaints because the protection level was as per b7
HIT will deliver the one.they are paid

 

[farhan_9909]

Mohafiz has been exported to foreign with mere and more order tipping.

More APCs ready for police, says HIT
From the Newspaper | A Reporter | 25th July, 2012

ISLAMABAD, July 24: After delivering two armoured personnel carriers to Balochistan police, the Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) is set to deliver 11 APCs to Sindh police under a US aid project.

The Narcotics Affairs Section (NAS) of the United States had placed an order for 25 APCs in April last and the remaining 12 vehicles will be delivered to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa police in September.

"The delivery date is in November but the project will be completed by the end of August and the deliveries will begin in September," an HIT official said.

"We have completed the manufacturing of 25 APCs ahead of time to prepare for the next order."

The NAS last week floated an international order for 50 APCs of B-6 protection grade and the HIT is preparing to participate in the bidding process.

A HIT spokesman, talking to a select group of journalists on Tuesday, said the APCs provided to the NAS were not only cost-effective but met the international quality standard requirements.

"International inspection agencies ensure the quality of our products and these standards are recognised by Nato," he claimed.

The APCs supplied by the HIT cost $180,000 to $200,000 per vehicle, while the price offered by the closest rival from Turkey was almost double.

Most of the country's civil forces, including police, have demanded Mohafiz – the APCs made by the HIT for the B-6 protection level. B-6 is the armour protection level against the standard Nato bullets of 7.62mm, while B-7 has higher degree of protection, mainly used by armies.

"However, in wake of growing sophistication in arms being used by terrorists and militants, the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa police have demanded one B-7 Mohafiz," the spokesman said.

He said that after the Lyari operation held in April and May the Sindh police were also planning to procure one B-7 Mohafiz APC, while an order for 20 more vehicles had been signed with the provincial government.

Sindh has a fleet of 35 APCs of which 15 are with tracks and 20 are of Mohafiz class which have wheels.


More APCs ready for police, says HIT | DAWN.COM

 

[Blackwater]

@farhaan can u pls answer post 609

 

[Blackwater]

@farhaan can u pls answer post 609

farhaaan kaha ho tum:taunt1::taunt1::taunt1:

 

[Defcon 1]

face palm
the HIT did the investigation.After that

ISLAMABAD: The Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) which manufactured the defective APCs used in Lyari, has issued a belated clarification saying no policeman died inside any the APC.



It says: "Consequent to the news item appearing in International The News dated 20 July, 2012 "Bullet Proof Cars Became Death Traps in Operation" in which it has been reported that at least 13 policemen lost their lives while they were in Mohafiz Vehicles is false and the facts have been distorted with definite malafide intentions to misguide the readers.



Some of the facts are highlighted as under:



Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) is an establishment of Ministry of Defence Production, Govt of Pakistan and not a private company.



a. The operational capability of Mohafiz vehicle has been undermined in The News report and therefore requires clear understanding that Mohafiz Vehicle provided to Sindh Police is according to the specifications laid down in the contract signed with Sindh Police. The performance of the vehicle in Lyari operation is according to the claimed protection levels.



b. The specification of the vehicle as per claimed protection levels have been tested by Sindh Police on a hull of Mohafiz manufactured as per the actual vehicle on 15 Nov 2011 at Police Academy Razzaq Abad prior to delivery of these vehicles. The firing test was conducted in the presence of Honourable Home Minister, Manzoor Wassan, IG Police and DIG Operations. More than 200 bullets were fired and the protection levels were verified.



c. No low-caliber /standard bullets penetrated Mohafiz vehicle in Lyari Operation and the Joint Investigation Report (JIT) prepared by HIT and Sindh Police verifies the facts.



d. All 18 Vehicles (10 Mohafiz, 8 Talha) which have been used and fired upon in Lyari Operations have been thoroughly inspected and claimed protection levels are verified. No police person died while performing duties inside Mohafiz Vehicle.



e. The materials used in manufacture of Mohafiz are according to the specifications laid down internationally for the desired protection levels. All materials used are Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) certified and further tested by the HIT before manufacturing. Each product of the HIT is backed by proper warranty/ guarantee as laid down in the contract with users including Sindh Police.



f. Mohafiz has saved the lives of police and Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) personnel throughout Pakistan in any operations where it has been effectively utilized according to its capabilities.



g. Report published in The News therefore is ambiguous, as the reporter has no knowledge of Armoured Vehicles, APCs and Tanks and neither has an understanding of protection levels of these Vehicles. The HIT produces various types of armoured vehicles, according to requirements of the users, meeting international protection standards. Technology utilized in product manufacturing has been acquired directly from the OEMs. There is no role of traders in the production of the armoured vehicles.



h. All the Mohafiz supplied to Sindh Police have been manufactured based on aluminum armour and ballistic steel which is in accordance with contracted specifications. The damaged vehicles of the Lyari Operation will be repaired according to well engineered practices and also upgraded, if Sindh Police so desires.



i. The HIT has full capability of manufacturing armoured vehicles for LEAs according to the requirements whether it is B6, B7 or other levels of protection. Comparing the HIT products with luxury cars or vehicles is a complete misperception on part of the reporter."



In an additional response sent to the Editor late on Sunday, the company spokesperson said the HIT stands by the Joint Inspection Report signed between Sindh Police and HIT representatives and find no oddity. The News should understand that any vulnerability of equipment under use of law enforcement agencies should never be exposed to general public as terrorist will also get benefited from the information. The spokesperson said HIT would like to caution "The News" that their act of revealing the Joint Investigation Report would only harm "Law Enforcement Agencies" further.

Provide a link to support your post. You need to do this every time you post a news article.

 

[farhan_9909]

@farhaan can u pls answer post 609

every thing in detail

Mohafiz (vehicle) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[farhan_9909]

defcon

http://www.-----------/forums/pakis...uhafiz-apc-proves-deadly-embarrassment-3.html

 

[farhan_9909]

while just 5 days After that they ordered 32 more

RAWALPINDI:

A ministry of defence production unit that supplies the Sindh police armoured personnel carriers has received orders for 32 more, proof it says of the confidence the force has in the vehicles.

Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) told a select group of journalists at its offices in Rawalpindi on Tuesday that it will be delivering 12 APCs in two months and signed a contract for 20 more last month.

The Sindh police have a fleet of 40 APCs, including the HIT's Mohafiz models.

The media briefing was arranged amid a controversy stemming from a report in The News dated July 20 and titled "Bullet Proof Cars Became Death Traps in Operation". The newspaper story claimed that at least 13 policemen lost their lives while they were in the HIT Mohafiz APCs used during the Lyari operation earlier this year. HIT said that no policeman died while in an APC.

There was an initial lack of clarity over the killing of SHO Fawad Khan – but he was shot dead when he left his APC.

In response to a question, the HIT representatives, who rank as high as brigadier, cast aside the allegations that substandard APCs were given to the Sindh police and were damaged in the Lyari fighting. The Express Tribune earlier reported that in Lyari up to 1,400 men fought with six APCs and five APC tanks. All of the APCs were damaged by rockets and grenades and three were badly affected.

The HIT representatives replied that the B-6 category vehicles were damaged by steel bullets but police officers inside had remained safe and a joint investigation team had denied all allegations.

HIT representatives told the media that the international standard APCs are manufactured indigenously given the demand created by the fight against militants. They are available for export as well. Fifty more APCs are being manufactured out of which 20 will be going to the Sindh police.

The Sindh police has received funding from the American government to bolster its counter-terrorism work. This is coming in the form of equipment, $750,000 worth in February and $8 million in November last year. A memorandum of understanding was signed between the Sindh police and the US government under the Police Assistance Programme that is worth $1.5 million. APCs can cost Rs10 million.

The HIT has already provided Mohafiz APCs to Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan. Recently, the Balochistan police received an order of two and the KPK police 12.

The HIT experts said the B-6 vehicles shield against the standard 7.62mm bore rounds. The B-7 type is an improved category that shields against higher fire, including steel bullets.

The demand for more APCs from the Sindh police speaks of the degree of confidence they have in the indigenous product.

One official feared that reports of substandard APCs being produced by HIT was a conspiracy to pave the way for imported ones and damage the local business.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 25th, 2012.

Counter-terrorism equipment: Sindh police order 32 more APCs, says HIT – The Express Tribune

 

[Dazzler]

@ farhan 9999999. aren't they old land rover jeeps ??

Based on Defender 90 series,

 

[Dazzler]

This is a complete nonsense.

First Al Khalid do not have telescope sight, it have only electronic periscope sight, no auxiliairy sight that when installed, is exactly simple telescope sight.

Besides this, if You have a thermal sight, why the hell You want a less capable night vision sight that will take additional space? Nobody do this, unless NV is for commander instead of thermal, but this means that it have limited H-K capability in night due to limited range and target detection/identification at night and in bad atmosferic conditions. Then it's might be true, Al Khalid commander panoramic sights, seems to be too small to have inside thermal camera. If we compare it's size with all tanks that have panoramic sight with thermal camera, we can see that they are more bulky. So IMHO tank commander in Al Khalid have only day channel + simple night vision channel instead of thermal sight.

During Ideas 2008, i saw the thing first hand and had conversation with someone who knows the thing. I saw the interior that had a BMS near commander station, there were two sensor heads for commander and gunner respectively with their independent thermal imagers, 2nd Gen IIT and laser range finders along with day sights, allowing this tank a true hunter killer capability. Auto tracker is integrated at gunner station.

 

[Damian]

During Ideas 2008, i saw the thing first hand and had conversation with someone who knows the thing. I saw the interior that had a BMS near commander station, there were two sensor heads for commander and gunner respectively with their independent thermal imagers, 2nd Gen IIT and laser range finders along with day sights, allowing this tank a true hunter killer capability. Auto tracker is integrated at gunner station.

So this is preatty much world wide standard in terms of FCS and electronics, but electronics alone do not make a good tank, there is also overall design, mechanical components, armor protection. The last, armor protection is mostly based on Chinese designs, and these are not very... promising.