Akash Surface-to-air Missile

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Akash is a dedicated Anti Aircraft and Cruise Missile defense system where as Arrow and Patriot are anti ballistic missiles system ..

Akash is more of a Tactical system design to protect mobile Army formations and Airfields and the other two are Strategic system design to protect cities and large static formations ..

Both are different system and roles are different ..

How Akash compares with Israel's Arrow-2 or US's Patriot-3 ?
 

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100 per month really .. The we get 1200 per year, in five years the stocks roses by 6000 missiles

I think it could be 100 per year

look at the awesome production line run by BDL

 

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Akash is a dedicated Anti Aircraft and Cruise Missile defense system where as Arrow and Patriot are anti ballistic missiles system ..

Akash is more of a Tactical system design to protect mobile Army formations and Airfields and the other two are Strategic system design to protect cities and large static formations ..

Both are different system and roles are different ..
Actually I muddled up. I meant Ashvin, our own anti-ballistic missile.
 

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When need to increase it range otherwise its hardly offered anything else than an older SA 6.
 

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No, the official also said they are producing 50-60 per month as per now. I guess it is really per month.
cut the zero's .. five to six per month , we are planning to rose upto 10 per month

I'm not the one who believes the above, when the missile production assembly looks like above
 

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Can somebody check what is the deliveries of Akash missiles to date??

50-60 may be referring to installed capacity rather than actual production. However 5-6 is imaginary figure.

Delivered Akash missiles are easy to calculate - launcher x 9 (3 on launcher + 2 reloads).
 
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Akash had about 115 launchers to be delivered. IAF had about 900 Akash that then needed. Tata SED has only last year delivered 64th Akash launcher of the Air Force version. BDL in turn has also in the last year handed over some decent stuff to the Indian Army.

Presumption of 5 per month is based on the one photo which shows 4/5 jigs which in turn rather childishly presumes that one jig remains occupied for one month.

Anyhow we do not see the IA and/or he IAF say much about the lack of missiles for Akash systems. Then there is the additional presumption that all the orders out of the 3000 missile 20 year production run have been placed already. BDL is confident in that they are increasing their floor area rapidly and also have asked for a doubling of production to 100 per month. So the combined actions of BDL and the silence of IA+IAF must indicate something.

Now obviously the beliefs of somebody cannot be changed. But the strength of beliefs always comes into question by the facts as they reveal themselves.
 

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First the picture shows only a part of the assembly area, not the full area. I have seen another picture that shows much bigger assembly area. So 4-5 jigs are wrong.

Assembly time of one month is also wrong.

The production is increased as orders increase. Do you think Army can wait 20 years for its missiles??

I think orders for both air force and army should increase in future. As it is local production, new orders need not be given years in advance. I can say that Akash system is the most successful DRDO project till date.
 

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The delivery is "3000 missiles over the period of 20 years" not "after 20 years". They are rolled out & delivered as soon as they are manufactured & checked.
 

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The delivery is "3000 missiles over the period of 20 years" not "after 20 years". They are rolled out & delivered as soon as they are manufactured & checked.
I don't think local orders cover such large time-frames. Somebody has assumed this "20" years.

Akash works as a system. It is not a single launcher working in isolation. So a delivery will be a full system, which comes with 100+ missiles.
 

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Ashvin is a proposed system, If deployed it will have similar performance as per our requirement as other two mention by you ..

Actually I muddled up. I meant Ashvin, our own anti-ballistic missile.
 

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India’s Missile Programme in Peril as Army Dumps Rs 1,000 Cr Akash Missiles

Published March 20, 2016


SOURCE : EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE



There it is, the sound of another prestigious ‘Make in India’ product being blasted out of the sky. After 32 years and over `1,000 crore later, the Akash missile system, crafted by India’s white elephant DRDO to protect the country from possible aerial threats, has been declared a dud by the Indian Army. Now, the army is shopping for a suitable alternative abroad by terming the indigenously developed missile as ‘inadequate to meet the army’s requirement in a desired time frame’.

The move not only exposes India’s missile defence vulnerability but also reveals the weakness in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s pet ‘Make in India’ push. To counter Akash, Pakistan has recently inducted its FM-90 air defence missile system, procured from PLA China, while on eastern front, China has HQ-7.

This also brings into the shadow the fate and capability of India’s missile programme worth over Rs 70,000 crore, and over a dozen missiles. It also raises the question of relevance and affordability of the country’s premier defence research agency whose only notable successes have been packaged pickles or neem-based vaginal contraceptive cream.



Army headquarters is in process of acquiring nearly 2,000 air defence missiles to raise its two regiments with an estimated cost of `10,000 crore. On the basis of technical evaluation, three firms from Russia, Israel and Sweden are in competition to supply short-range missiles. In reply to The Sunday Standard, Army headquarters has claimed that the “targeted short-range surface-to-air missile (SRSAM) system is technologically and operationally superior to the Akash missile system, which DRDO took almost five years to develop.” Further, the cost of the targeted SRSAM project is 70 per cent of the Akash missile system.

In contract, in May 2015, Army Chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag was all praise for Akash missiles.

The cost of the targeted SRSAM project that the Indian Army is planning to acquire from abroad is 70 per cent of the Akash missile system.

In contract, in May 2015, Army Chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag, while inducting two regiments of Akash missiles, had said: “It is a matter of great pride for the nation that today indigenous state-of-the-art ‘Akash’ air defence weapon system is being inducted into the Indian Army. The capability that we have with this system will ensure that it takes care of vulnerability of our assets. Akash is a step towards self-realisation of indigenisation”.

Akash is an indigenously developed supersonic short range surface-to-air missile system with the capability to engage a wide variety of aerial threats like aircraft, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles up to a maximum range of 25 km and up to an altitude of 20 km.

The system, which has 96 per cent indigenisation, is capable of simultaneously engaging multiple targets in all weather conditions and is capable of providing comprehensive short-range missile cover to the vulnerable assets in the field force of the Army.

Akash is one of the five core missile systems of the integrated guided missile development programme, launched by DRDO in 1984.

The Army had initially ordered two Akash regiments, with six firing batteries of a project cost of `19,500 crore. But in less than a year, it has changed its opinion on the home-made missile.

“Army has proposed a composite approach of procuring SRSAM from globally and simultenously technological improvement of Akash missile system,” Army headquarters told The Sunday Standard.

When contacted, DRDO officials refused to comment on the army’s claim.
 

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Can we have the exact statement of army headquarters??

Saying akash is a dud seems like inaccurate and imaginative reporting.

Akash has limited capability against cruise missiles. This is known, and nothing new.

No single system can stop all types of incoming missiles.

Did army stop akash order? There is no such news.

The short range Sam is needed but has gone nowhere. The trishul project failed and no import is in sight.
 

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The shortcomings will always remain, as technology growth is fast and there is no hope of filling every gap.

The local scientific base needs major support if india has to ever tilt the balance.
 

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WTF, a day ago we had news if double production and now army says its a dud. Either the news on IDRW.org is fake or there is an journo on weed.
 

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Trishul project should be restarted and and made a substitute or part of a quick reaction air defense system including Akash
 

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Trishul project is closed. The proposal to develop such Sam with France has gone nowhere.

DRDO may not be able to develop this kind of system. We shall have to try private sector.

Mod can always import a few systems. May be that's what army is referring to.
 

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