ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Satish Sharma]

And that is unfair,

Then why you took the bait

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What makes you think gripen cnay carry 500kg and 1000kag bomb ??
Who said pak paid for f16/ah1z //
What achievement ??
Define success ?? for both LCA and jf17 ??

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Dig down even more. This was never the topic here.
Tell me why are u digging down something else now ?? What makes me think was not part of discussion here we were discussing something else...

 

[johnj]

Ok derby ana python 5
Derby and python 5 comes with Spyder sam system

So they don't need to order them separately for tejas .

Derby is going to replaced with Astra bvr ,sooner or later
On python 5, it's just tested ,
Not known if it's cleared for integration with operational tejas fleet .

Iaf is the customer here , they have 3 options for ccm

1. R73 ( available in large )
2. Python 5 ( available with Spyder sam )
3. Asraam ( will be made by bel ,or already)
Hal integrates something means ,iaf will order , no logic.

Its not derby, but I DERBY ER tested in LCA with 100km range
IAF SPYDER only using derby and python 4
Derby only having 50km range

 

[johnj]

Dig down even more. This was never the topic here.
Tell me why are u digging down something else now ??

You aske why I , and I replayed all at once
Also I said I'm not talking about MTOW, becaz I agree most of that part
And I avoided replay in first place

 

[Satish Sharma]

Its not derby, but I DERBY ER tested in LCA with 100km range
IAF SPYDER only using derby and python 4
Derby only having 50km range

Are Bhai has lca Tejas mk1a came in service. Iaf have not even received a single mk1a you can keep this saying things again and again why iaf has not ordered yet.. its just matter of time thing will happen you are comparing current status everyone says jf17 has more weapons no one disagrees.. (being realistic) .

 

[johnj]

Are Bhai has lca Tejas mk1a came in service. Iaf have not even received a single mk1a you can keep this saying things again and again why iaf has not ordered yet.. its just matter of time thing will happen you are comparing current status everyone says jf17 has more weapons no one disagrees.. (being realistic) .

Here I am talking about SUCCESS

 

[patriots]

Tej

Its not derby, but I DERBY ER tested in LCA with 100km range
IAF SPYDER only using derby and python 4
Derby only having 50km range

Tejas was never ever tested with I derby er
All the media news indicated the test of derby

 

[Satish Sharma]

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Here I am talking about SUCCESS

Commercial succes okay because paf had no choice werethey getting anything new NO

 

[Satish Sharma]

Dig down even more. This was never the topic here.
Tell me why are u digging down something else now ?? What makes me think was not part of discussion here we were discussing something else...

??

 

[johnj]

Tej
Tejas was never ever tested with I derby er
All the media news indicated the test of derby

Thanks for correcting me
Now you made me sad
Jf17 equipped with 100km aam and lca foc with 50km aam

and I thought ADA also tested ER

 

[johnj]

Commercial succes okay because paf had no choice werethey getting anything new NO

What are you expecting ??
There are multiple reason why jf17 is called junk fighter
The main objective of junk fighter is to design, develop a,d produce a j7 as lower cost as possible
The main objective for LCA is to develop next gen Light weight Multi role combat aircraft to meet future changelings
jf17 met all the goals and lca stuck due to different/multiple reasons
FYI - jf17 is better than mig21 and j7

 

[patriots]

Thanks for correcting me
Now you made me sad
Jf17 equipped with 100km aam and lca foc with 50km aam
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and I thought ADA also tested ER

Ok

Tejas fired Astra bvraam , there is no single public photo or video of jf17 firing pl15

 

[Satish Sharma]

What are you expecting ??
There are multiple reason why jf17 is called junk fighter
The main objective of junk fighter is to design, develop a,d produce a j7 as lower cost as possible
The main objective for LCA is to develop next gen Light weight Multi role combat aircraft to meet future changelings
jf17 met all the goals and lca stuck due to different/multiple reasons
FYI - jf17 is better than mig21 and j7

Was this a discussion going on here you changed the topic.

 

[johnj]

Tejas fired Astra bvraam

in 2023 right ?? then foc lacks them

jf17 firing pl15

So what ??
Im talking about pl12/sd10

 

[johnj]

Was this a discussion going on here you changed the topic.

I didnt
Here the point is jf17 is a100% successive product
and LCA is not
Old pak forum statement is right
FYI - you are the one made unwanted comment in about f16/jf success in your MTOW comment

 

[patriots]

in 2023 right ?? then foc lacks them

So what ??
Im talking about pl12/sd10

There is no public photo of jf17 firing sd 10
Many including me doubt on the bvr capability of jf17
Then sd 10 has the range of 70+ km , less or more compared to r77

On Feb 19 , when paf attacked India , India had su 30 , mig 21 in air , where as paf has jf 17 ,f16 and mirage 5
When paf fired amraam , and su 30 unable to shot down a single fighter
Many doubted the bvr capability of su 30

But why amraam not sd 10 ...
Simply paf is not confident of the bvr capability of jf 17.

Derby gives limited bvr capability to tejas .it's stationed in a southern base .
Only mk1a will be stationed in forward bases with Astra bvraam .

Again once Astra tested with tejas , it will be integrated with , ioc and foc tejas too ...if iaf wants

 

[Tridev123]

You are the one who turned into a healthy conversation into the dick measurement contest.
Before becoming a dick, try to read all conversation
Matter of fact, Satish Sharma agreed most of my comments.
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I'm writing according to his comments and view
Don't be such a dick, insisted try to read entire conversation before writing the dick measurement contest
FYI - F22 is also unable to meet USAF 100% requirement similar to LCA. LCA is like F22 or EFT. JF17 is more like gripen or J20 and no one expecting anything from me but from DRDO, ADA and HAL in this case
I'm not writing a dick measurement contest, insisted just explain the term success and weapons used in jf17 and lca by user after he asked
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and at the end he agrees with my points

The JF17 whatever block it is is a Chinese designed and developed plane.
Whatever the Pakistanis may say, their contribution is almost zero.

So essentially you are saying that a Chinese plane in the light category class is better than an Indian plane in the same weight class.

Though in reality it may not be so. You are belittling an quite capable Indian aircraft.
Do your posts improve the morale of our pilots flying the Tejas or the scientists who are involved in the project.

It appears more like an hit job to undermine our achievements.

And repeatedly affirming the superiority of the JF17 in successive posts.
This is not the Pakistan Defence Forum. You are doing the job of the Pakistanis.

So you like the Chinese dick better.
What exactly is your flag. Are you even Indian.
I can understand your stand if you're not an Indian.

Ok, Mr Dick. There is no competitor to the super duper Chinese JF17 and its super duper weapons payload in the entire world.
Happy now.

 

[johnj]

There is no public photo of jf17 firing sd 10
Many including me doubt on the bvr capability of jf17
Then sd 10 has the range of 70+ km , less or more compared to r77

On Feb 19 , when paf attacked India , India had su 30 , mig 21 in air , where as paf has jf 17 ,f16 and mirage 5
When paf fired amraam , and su 30 unable to shot down a single fighter
Many doubted the bvr capability of su 30

But why amraam not sd 10 ...
Simply paf is not confident of the bvr capability of jf 17.

Derby gives limited bvr capability to tejas .it's stationed in a southern base .
Only mk1a will be stationed in forward bases with Astra bvraam .

Again once Astra tested with tejas , it will be integrated with , ioc and foc tejas too ...if iaf wants

pak having 500 amraam, and only two or 3 aqn capable of using it
mki also having 100km range bvr and bvr missile with eo seeker
why amraam, why not sd10 -
F16bk50 having better bvr capability compared to jf, saab erieye is more advanced than paf chines aew, and US give freebies, chinese don't

LCA mk1a is fully capable of facing any offensive from paf in future, that is why Im not worried about pl15e or plxxx
Astra - in future & iaf wants
But right now im only considering FOC version
M2k also equipped with 80km aam, why m2k intercepted paf jets ??
Only fighters used bvr aam are f16 and mig21, by that theory mig21 having better bvr cap then mki and m2k
See we can ask a lots of stupide questions

 

[Satish Sharma]

I didnt
Here the point is jf17 is a100% successive product
and LCA is not
Old pak forum statement is right
FYI - you are the one made unwanted comment in about f16/jf success in your MTOW comment

We were talking about upcoming weapons why don't you understand that. Discussion was never about jf17 succes or failure. Who is asking you is it a failure or a succes.. Discussion was something else.. jf17 can't match future weapons of Tejas like whole astra series mk1,mk2,mk3, brahmos NG, rudram series. Etc etc.
You were being too realistic couldn't even tolerate this , being realistic doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss upcoming weapons...you straight away began smashing with current jf17 status. It has whole Chinese backings it's after all operational.
Hypocrisy is when you were considering pl15 is in Pakistan service on how many aircrafts hardly enough to count on fighter jf bklol-3
Jf17 is successful because paf had no choice here all all western Russian aircraft are line...
They couldn't get upgrades for there fleet of f16 forget new aircrafts...
If you still can't.understand this then I think you're a pokristanis living in Spain acting a indian who admires jf17.

 

[Satish Sharma]

pak having 500 amraam, and only two or 3 aqn capable of using it
mki also having 100km range bvr and bvr missile with eo seeker
why amraam, why not sd10 -
F16bk50 having better bvr capability compared to jf, saab erieye is more advanced than paf chines aew, and US give freebies, chinese don't

LCA mk1a is fully capable of facing any offensive from paf in future, that is why Im not worried about pl15e or plxxx
Astra - in future & iaf wants
But right now im only considering FOC version
M2k also equipped with 80km aam, why m2k intercepted paf jets ??
Only fighters used bvr aam are f16 and mig21, by that theory mig21 having better bvr cap then mki and m2k
See we can ask a lots of stupide questions

You can consider FOC or ioc
Our discussion was of all weapons systems (in service & upcoming ) why did you consider jf17 have pl15 why it's not even in service have Pakistanis ordered it you're logic applies to Pakistan as well you can tell us its not INTEGRATED it's not ORDERED bla bla bla

 

[johnj]

The JF17 whatever block it is is a Chinese designed and developed plane.
Whatever the Pakistanis may say, their contribution is almost zero.

So essentially you are saying that a Chinese plane in the light category class is better than an Indian plane in the same weight class.

Though in reality it may not be so. You are belittling an quite capable Indian aircraft.
Do your posts improve the morale of our pilots flying the Tejas or the scientists who are involved in the project.

It appears more like an hit job to undermine our achievements.

And repeatedly affirming the superiority of the JF17 in successive posts.
This is not the Pakistan Defence Forum. You are doing the job of the Pakistanis.

So you like the Chinese dick better.
What exactly is your flag. Are you even Indian.
I can understand your stand if you're not an Indian.

Ok, Mr Dick. There is no competitor to the super duper Chinese JF17 and its super duper weapons payload in the entire world.
Happy now.

I'm not comparing LCA vs jf17,
Only saying jf17 meet PAF requirements
LCA mk1 dont meet IAF requirements
And I never provided any explanation
If IAF pilots having issues with IAF leadership, they can resign
Only thing you can do is make fun of others or use mean words like a bully, or deny about 150+ jf17 flying in PAF.