ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[dumdumdum]

Saurav Jha‏@SJha1618
"What did I tell you? This single engine fighter tender will go nowhere. Indian Airpower has to either go big on the Tejas or go home. "

So the SEF has been scrapped?

 

[dumdumdum]

Saurav Jha‏@SJha1618
"What did I tell you? This single engine fighter tender will go nowhere. Indian Airpower has to either go big on the Tejas or go home. "

So the SEF has been scrapped?

I am assuming he is referring to this article. Can not find any other reference..
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/india-to-again-scout-for-global-players-for-jets/547826.html

 

[Rahul Singh]

"In terms of FCS, they are very confident. It is a close coupled canard and no different from the active slats and active LEVCON."

Source: a BR poster.

 

[tejas warrior]

NEWS: The tender to procure 114 single-engined jet fighters for the Indian Air force has been withdrawn by the Indian Government.

 

[Sancho]

Sieh dir den Tweet von @YusufDFI an:

 

[tejas warrior]

Good news. Some GE F-414 INS6 engines have already been delivered to ADA. They are now waiting for the Tejas Mk-2 airframe to be ready.

 

[tejas warrior]

Sieh dir den Tweet von @YusufDFI an:

Funny.. isn't it.

When 2 engine fighters are in race how can we say it Single Engine RFP.

Earlier, it was 2 separate expected RFPs, now it's only one.

 

[tejas warrior]

NEWS: The tender to procure 114 single-engined jet fighters for the Indian Air force has been withdrawn by the Indian Government.

Good news. Some GE F-414 INS6 engines have already been delivered to ADA. They are now waiting for the Tejas Mk-2 airframe to be ready.

Don't know which news is better ? Cancellation of Single Engine fighter tender OR MK2 development go-ahead.

 

[Sancho]

Funny.. isn't it.

When 2 engine fighters are in race how can we say it Single Engine RFP.

Earlier, it was 2 separate expected RFPs, now it's only one.

Wrong, as Air Chief Dhanoa confirmed last year, IAF wanted the SE MMRCA tender and considered additional 36 Rafales in the long run, but there never was a twin engine tender for IAF. So all the government did (if it's true), is making a U turn on their own tender policy. Cancelling MMRCA => creating SE MMRCA as an alternative => going back to MMRCA

 

[tejas warrior]

Tejas Mk-2 should feature an AESA & internal SPJ besides meeting the Air force's aerodynamics requirements as outlined in the ASQR for the LCA project to the greatest degree possible. MK-2 should also be modular in nature to allow faster production and easy maintainability.

 

[tejas warrior]

Wrong, as Air Chief Dhanoa confirmed last year, IAF wanted the SE MMRCA tender and considered additional 36 Rafales in the long run, but there never was a twin engine tender for IAF. So all the government did (if it's true), is making a U turn on their own tender policy. Cancelling MMRCA => creating SE MMRCA as an alternative => going back to MMRCA

Yeah.

Tejas is India's Single Engine Fighter.

LCA MK1 > LCA MK1A > LCA MK2

 

[Sancho]

Yeah.

Tejas is India's Single Engine Fighter.

LCA MK1 > LCA MK1A > LCA MK2

Just not a medium one and that's why Yusuf is right, that it doesn't change anything for Tejas, which has it's own requirement in the light segment.

 

[binayak95]

I think what the govt has decided is Tejas to replace all MiG 21s and 27s, become the backbone of the IAF with 130 odd Rafales and 272 Su-30MKIs as the primary air dominance fighters, with MiG-29s, Mirage-2000s and Jags in a supportive role.

 

[patriots]

ya ...I think ..... again Rafael will win the race ..,.....and we will see more and more and more and more Tejas ................. eagerly waiting to see Tejas roasting. junk fighter ...........of pigistan

 

[Trololo]

"In terms of FCS, they are very confident. It is a close coupled canard and no different from the active slats and active LEVCON."

Source: a BR poster.

Was there ever a plan to move to the F16XL type cranked arrow wing design for the LCA?

 

[Suryavanshi]

Man at this point we just need the capability to make engines on our own rest of the stuff can be arranged but without the engine the plane will remain grouned.

I just wish that government would run another parallel project to take whatever we have learned from Kaveri into making a more powerful engine.

 

[Sancho]

Man at this point we just need the capability to make engines on our own rest of the stuff can be arranged but without the engine the plane will remain grouned.

I just wish that government would run another parallel project to take whatever we have learned from Kaveri into making a more powerful engine.

Engine is not the issue, since we have GE404 and 414 options anyway. But the airframe modifications to fix the aerodynamic problems and the internal changes to fit new avionics in, will require most of the time.
That still doesn't deal with the lack of hardpoints, but at least would make Tejas compliant to a decade old ASR and useful enough for the interceptor role it was meant for.

Ideally we fit the 414 engine, integrate EW including MAWS and add CFTs, to add fuel and free weapon stations. That and the MK1A changes would make it a decent 4.5th gen fighter with potential for exports.

 

[SanjeevM]

Wrong, as Air Chief Dhanoa confirmed last year, IAF wanted the SE MMRCA tender and considered additional 36 Rafales in the long run, but there never was a twin engine tender for IAF. So all the government did (if it's true), is making a U turn on their own tender policy. Cancelling MMRCA => creating SE MMRCA as an alternative => going back to MMRCA

We don't know what is happening behind the scenes. Government never takes unilateral decision. It would always consult IAF before deciding to scrap SEF. So instead of speculating andstrengthening anti Modi government forces, let's wait for more information and clarification from IAF or Government for the rationale behind the decision.

I can speculate that maybe by this delaying tactics, government can force IAF to order more LCA in currentconfiguration or MK1A and simultaneously speed up MK2 and procure more orders for MK2. By thedelay, AMCA may also get ready. We already have FGFA and PAKFA partnership with Russia. Who knows if there is any internal information of Russia coming forwardwith more TOT sharing. If they don'tshare, the money instead goes to west.

 

[tejas warrior]

Just not a medium one and that's why Yusuf is right, that it doesn't change anything for Tejas, which has it's own requirement in the light segment.

AMCA will be India's Medium Multi Role Stealth 5th Generation Fighter.

Till that time Rafael will be ordered in small quantities + SU57 based fighters.

 

[Sancho]

AMCA will be India's Medium Multi Role Stealth 5th Generation Fighter.

Exactly and since they only come around 2035, they don't play a role for the MMRCA requirement either. So you have successfully established why we need MMRCAs, because Tejas is not medium and AMCA is not available anytime soon.