A layman's analysis on our last two mmrca contenders

[A chauhan]

No matter what criticism you face Drsomnath999 i like your threads keep it up mate !! many members agree and many disagree, so don't worry about it :thumb:

 

[Drsomnath999]

No matter what criticism you face Drsomnath999 i like your threads keep it up mate !! many members agree and many disagree, so don't worry about it :thumb:

thanks pal ,i know some ego thirsty people are there in this forum which can post only bluff threads & some one exposes them they cant tolerate this & interefere in their thread to take out their frustation.LET them do what they want ,i want to say only one thing to them .

 

[Daredevil]

Stick to the topic. No more cat fights

 

[Drsomnath999]

can someone plz kindly tell me the actual range of mica ir guided missile not radar guided one ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Mica IR

Mica IR is provided with an infrared imagery homing head. The Mica IR is an stealth missile due to its passive infrared sensor. The target coordinates are transferred from the aircraft's sensors to the Mica missile before launching. Once fired, the Mica missile depends on the Inertial Navigation System target information can be updated from the launching aircraft via an uplink. In the terminal phase the RF/IR seeker is fully responsible for target acquisition and interception.

The Mica also features a high maneuverability due to thrust vector control and effective tail control surfaces. Mica's blast fragmentation warhead detonates by proximity or direct impact.

The Mica IR is in service with the Air Forces of France, United Arab Emirates and Greece. The Mica IR missile is the weapon of choice for air-to-air engagements of the Mirage 2000-5, Mirage 2000-9 and Rafale aircraft.



Dimensions: Diameter 160 mm, Length 3.1 m

Weights: Warhead 12 kg (26.5 lb), Weight 112 kg (247 lb)

Performance: Max Range 60,000 m (196,850 ft), Min Range 500 m (1,640 ft), Top Speed 1,328 mps (Mach 4)

 

[Drsomnath999]

Mica IR

Mica IR is provided with an infrared imagery homing head. The Mica IR is an stealth missile due to its passive infrared sensor. The target coordinates are transferred from the aircraft's sensors to the Mica missile before launching. Once fired, the Mica missile depends on the Inertial Navigation System target information can be updated from the launching aircraft via an uplink. In the terminal phase the RF/IR seeker is fully responsible for target acquisition and interception.

The Mica also features a high maneuverability due to thrust vector control and effective tail control surfaces. Mica's blast fragmentation warhead detonates by proximity or direct impact.

The Mica IR is in service with the Air Forces of France, United Arab Emirates and Greece. The Mica IR missile is the weapon of choice for air-to-air engagements of the Mirage 2000-5, Mirage 2000-9 and Rafale aircraft.



Dimensions: Diameter 160 mm, Length 3.1 m

Weights: Warhead 12 kg (26.5 lb), Weight 112 kg (247 lb)

Performance: Max Range 60,000 m (196,850 ft), Min Range 500 m (1,640 ft), Top Speed 1,328 mps (Mach 4)

But buddy how is that possible ,how can an infrared guided missile have such a long range ,I had asked the same question to gambit sir in DEF .PUK but he denied it ,
i quote what he said

So here is the truth: The stated maximum range of a missile is based upon several factors: Fuel, aerodynamics, and sensor type. It is the last item -- sensor -- that will determine how you will design your missile. You can take an AMRAAM and stick in IR sensor in it and it would be a waste if you fire it as if it is EM equipped because the IR sensor is inherently inferior to radar. That mean if you take both MICA variants, remove their sensors, and shoot them off blindly, both missiles would have very close maximum range because now the burden of that range is upon fuel and aerodynamics. When you install a sensor, that burden is shifted to the sensor and how good is it for what you want to do. Which blind man is more capable? The man with the one meter cane or the man with the two meters cane? Likewise, because IR sensor is inherently inferior to radar, the manufacturer has no choice but have an inferior range for IR, not because the airframe itself is any different between the two variants.

 

[SPIEZ]

But buddy how is that possible ,how can an infrared guided missile have such a long range ,I had asked the same question to gambit sir in DEF .PUK but he denied it ,
i quote what he said

IMHO, MICA air-air missile range also depends on the MOMENTUM OF THE PLANE carrying it. If the plane is moving faster at higher altitude the range can be increased.

Try to get a link asap.

 

[Drsomnath999]

IMHO, MICA air-air missile range also depends on the MOMENTUM OF THE PLANE carrying it. If the plane is moving faster at higher altitude the range can be increased.

Try to get a link asap.

no absolutely no then all infra red guided missile would have range around 50 km ,only python 5 has a range of 30-35 km

 

[SPIEZ]

no absolutely no then all infra red guided missile would have range around 50 km ,only python 5 has a range of 30-35 km

Ranges can be under or overstated. IMO the range of PYTHON 5 ~ AMRAAM.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

But buddy how is that possible ,how can an infrared guided missile have such a long range ,I had asked the same question to gambit sir in DEF .PUK but he denied it ,
i quote what he said

What he meant, the sensors on mica guides the missile to a specific direction at a specific altitude ( Thrust vectors ) at 20kms or 30kms away it starts its IR seekers to detect heat from jet engines at 180 degree vertical and horizontal ..

But until the IR seeker comes online the sensors guides it to a certain direction and altitude, The sensors are linked with Aircraft Radar when needed for eg: When direction needed to be changed the radar re update the sensors on the missile on lose..

 

[SPIEZ]

Since the missile is launched without the benefit of an aircraft's speed or high altitude, its range is considerably shorter

Source: wiki

Note: the range of the land-launched version is stated as 24 km. The range of aerial version is well above 50km even 120 km for block C/D.

 

[gixxer31]

rafale is way better than eurofighter typhoon. ef is a bomber only. and this is lockheed martin's analysis in their literature published last year. they rate rafale above ef as a more practically superior fighter. ef is good on papers but not in reality

This comment is typical of someone who hasn't taken the time to research and likes a jet based on it's looks/internet banter/rumours. First of all....the Rafale is the true multi role jet and better bomber. The EF is the interceptor and this goes way back to the origins of their development. Secondly...why get your info from Lockheed when the EF is Lockheeds biggest competitor? The technical evaluation India has conducted has already given us the strengths & weakness of all contenders. I'm sure India is competent enough to make the right call. If you go by Lockheed you'd put the F-35 as 5th generation over EF when the truth is the F-35 has no supercruise, is slower, has a smaller payload and less agility. Don't trust Lockheed mate...they have an agenda.

 

[noob101]

When i started trolling the internet defense forums my analysis was very simple, We need a multirole fighter with the Su 30, PAK FA seemed to be good air superiority fighters so I naturally for me Rafale was the choice because it had good A2G with better payload and low altitude performace.

Then it got me thinking, if we were to send a strike against Pakistan Rafale would do just fine it might need an escort of a few MKI as PAF can eaisly be overwhelmed by the IAF. But if we are to send a strike against China then it might be useful to have a fighter that can fight its way to the target and back, IAF can't dominate the Chinese air force like the the PAF. Although the Typhoon is not as capable as the Rafale in A2G it can do the job and is much more survivable

OT I think the Army should also get a little say in what the air force buys, we need to get better CAS capabilities.. something that historically IAF has not been good at

 

[bhramos]

OT I think the Army should also get a little say in what the air force buys, we need to get better CAS capabilities.. something that historically IAF has not been good at

as for CAS capability the both A-10 and Su-25 both are best and proved fighters, for CAS capability the aircraft need to survive from anti-aircraft guns and sam hits and return back home safely, the only plane i have is Su-25.

but never seen A-10 at that scene returning even after hitting a SAM......

 

[noob101]

as for CAS capability the both A-10 and Su-25 both are best and proved fighters, for CAS capability the aircraft need to survive from anti-aircraft guns and sam hits and return back home safely, the only plane i have is Su-25.


but never seen A-10 at that scene returning even after hitting a SAM......

I agree with you, Frogfoot is better than the A10 but not by much there are documented stories of how A`0s have returned with half a wing blown off or with one engine.... I don't know why in the world IAF doesn't procure a pure ground attack air craft only 3-4 squadrons for the desert regions would be real helpful in a war early the IAF should be able to dominate the PAF, so any ground advances by the PA would make would be without air cover. Then it would be like shooting fish in a barrel for any ground attack fighters.

 

[Nagraj]

I want Rafael for holi

http://www.netmarine.net/aero/aeronefs/rafale/photo08.jpg

 

[Drsomnath999]

I want Rafael for holi


http://www.netmarine.net/aero/aeronefs/rafale/photo08.jpg

may god heed ur wishes

 

[ace009]

I agree with you, Frogfoot is better than the A10 but not by much there are documented stories of how A`0s have returned with half a wing blown off or with one engine.... I don't know why in the world IAF doesn't procure a pure ground attack air craft only 3-4 squadrons for the desert regions would be real helpful in a war early the IAF should be able to dominate the PAF, so any ground advances by the PA would make would be without air cover. Then it would be like shooting fish in a barrel for any ground attack fighters.

The roles for Su-25 and A-10s are similar, but with some major differences. the real comparison would have been between the A-10 and the Il-102.

A-10 vs Su-25 comparison

Turbo-prop vs Turbo-jet
Larger size vs smaller size
Larger payload vs smaller payload
Slower speed vs faster speed
Longer range vs Shorter range
More armor vs less armor
Higher Survivability vs Lower detectability

 

[joe81]

Hopefully, the results of the bid will be out in a week or so...

 

[Killswitch]

India will need 200 MMRCA to replace the mig 21's.


Future force?

272 mki
190-200 MMRCA
120 LCA

Old/upgraded"

80 Mig 29
50 mirage 2000
100 jaguar
40 Mig 27


The IAF has allot of work to do........

I wonder how HAL can deal with all the work they will get....

LCA

MKI

MMRCA

Upgrading old jets

IJT

HAWK AJT

etc.