2023 G20 Summit, New Delhi, India

[Eagle Eye]

Okay

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I understand Modi sometimes needs to do taqiya. Should avoid too much Gandhi-giri.

Instead change tradition to War Memorial.

 

[Tshering22]

Three days from September 8 is going to be hell for Delhiites in terms of traffic and moving around the city. Given that we are hosting G20 for the first time, it is going to be a living nightmare for the commoners.

I can't understand why Dr. Jaishankar chose Delhi. PM Modi was pretty open to hosting global events in different parts of the country. It would have made sense to host somewhere like Manali or Visakhapatnam Thiruvananthapuram or Goa.

Personally though since China is not attending, I'd have liked to host it in Itanagar

 

[Jimih]

Personally though since China is not attending, I'd have liked to host it in Itanagar

Itanagar would be a fine place to host.

 

[another_armchair]

Ladakh has airport connectivity.

Would've been a fine location but for the altitude sickness inducing height of the region.

 

[Hari Sud]

Ignore Xi’s absence from G-20. Treat his replacement with number 2 treatment. Number one treatment is reserved for head of the state or government. Since head of the state is not there, his presence be treated as number 2 or partial.

Xi will get the message.

Chinese will try and obstruct the G-20 meet, one way or the other by raising one objection or the other. The best thing is to overrule these.

 

[Tshering22]

Ladakh has airport connectivity.

Would've been a fine location but for the altitude sickness-inducing height of the region.

Westerners and others are not used to such altitudes. They will collapse and we will have to foot their medical bills for no reason. The only ones who can handle a bit of that would be Ecuadorians who live in one of the highest places on earth (other than Himalayas)

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Views of India Lean Positive Across 23 Countries

Across 12 countries, a median of 40% of adults say they have no confidence in Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to do the right thing regarding world affairs, while a median of 37% say they have at least some confidence. About eight-in-ten Indians (79%) have a favorable view of Modi, including...

www.pewresearch.org

Views of many G20 countries towards India. Global decline, Europe mostly unfavorable except UK and a couple of others. To be expected given India's assertive foreign policy. No longer the good boys who will toe the line.

Not except UK. UK is exceptionally anti India.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Modi wanted to include "African Union" into G20. Seems not only western nations, most other countries are not comfortable.

Thou, they didn't speak against it. Is India taking unnecessary burden on its shoulders?

 

[Tshering22]

Modi wanted to include "African Union" in the G20. Seems not only Western nations, but most other countries are not comfortable.

Thou, they didn't speak against it. Is India taking an unnecessary burden on its shoulders?

Not really. The point is to balance the EU by bringing AU. Given how Africa is reacting to the French struggle to retain its quasi-colonies there, it is understandable that the West is not comfortable with giving more power to the other half of G20.

G20 has three camps:

CAMP 1	CAMP 2
USA	China
UK	India
France	Russia
Australia	Mexico
Germany	South Africa
Italy	Indonesia
Canada	Saudi Arabia
Japan	Turkey
South Korea	Argentina
European Union	Brazil
Spain (permanent invitee)	--- (Vacant)

EU is more or less like Spain (don't know what that 'permanent invitee' means), but any decisions that the G20 has to get the nod of both sides. The 2023 Finance Ministers' meeting and Foreign Ministers' meeting this year saw the CAMP 1 ministers walk out when the Russian delegation spoke, while the entire CAMP 2 attended the sessions with rapt attention.

African Union (AU) kind of evens out the representation of developed and developing countries.

PM Modi ji is simply getting AU the recognition it needs and also using that to propel us as the voice of the developing world.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Not really. The point is to balance the EU by bringing AU. Given how Africa is reacting to the French struggle to retain its quasi-colonies there, it is understandable that the West is not comfortable with giving more power to the other half of G20.

G20 has three camps:

CAMP 1	CAMP 2
USA	China
UK	India
France	Russia
Australia	Mexico
Germany	South Africa
Italy	Indonesia
Canada	Saudi Arabia
Japan	Turkey
South Korea	Argentina
European Union	Brazil
Spain (permanent invitee)	--- (Vacant)

EU is more or less like Spain (don't know what that 'permanent invitee' means), but any decisions that the G20 has to get the nod of both sides. The 2023 Finance Ministers' meeting and Foreign Ministers' meeting this year saw the CAMP 1 ministers walk out when the Russian delegation spoke, while the entire CAMP 2 attended the sessions with rapt attention.

African Union (AU) kind of evens out the representation of developed and developing countries.

PM Modi ji is simply getting AU the recognition it needs and also using that to propel us as the voice of the developing world.

Reason why EU is in G20 is because Eurozone is a single market economy with a common currency which AU does not have. Which is why technically EU is one of the top 20 economies on earth while AU is not and hence EU is eligible to be a G20 member but AU is not.

 

[SKC]

Three days from September 8 is going to be hell for Delhiites in terms of traffic and moving around the city. Given that we are hosting G20 for the first time, it is going to be a living nightmare for the commoners.

I can't understand why Dr. Jaishankar chose Delhi. PM Modi was pretty open to hosting global events in different parts of the country. It would have made sense to host somewhere like Manali or Visakhapatnam Thiruvananthapuram or Goa.

Personally though since China is not attending, I'd have liked to host it in Itanagar

Nothing hell is on going in Delhi.

Everyone has been informed atleast 2 weeks back. Schools, shops, malls will be closed. This is not something limited to India.

In NYC, during UN summits, a lot of streets are closed and many areas becomes No-Go zones.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Nothing hell is on going in Delhi.

Everyone has been informed atleast 2 weeks back. Schools, shops, malls will be closed. This is not something limited to India.

In NYC, during UN summits, a lot of streets are closed and many areas becomes No-Go zones.

Well many don't realise Delhi isn't under a lockdown, only central Delhi is.

 

[SKC]

We'll many don't realise Delhi isn't under a lockdown, only central Delhi is.

Correct!

People just don't read between the lines.

I have been reading posts of @Tshering22 from last few days. I would request you to calm down a bit.
All of your recent posts are borderline flame-baiting.

 

[Tshering22]

The reason why the EU is in G20 is because the Eurozone is a single market economy with a common currency which AU does not have. This is why technically EU is one of the top 20 economies on earth while AU is not and hence EU is eligible to be a G20 member but the AU is not.

That is the made-up explanation that the Europeans made to induct themselves in. That's a Western specialty; create a technicality and then insert themselves in.

The original G20 clause was to have sovereign countries only as the key members which means that the grouping is essentially G19 with the EU and the forceful "permanence" of Spain. This put the group tilting in one direction.

That's why PM Modini is citing the "Voice of the Global South" as a reason and batting for the African Union to join in.

 

[Indrajit]

Not except UK. UK is exceptionally anti India.

Not according to the survey quoted.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Not according to the survey quoted.

Given that sample size doesn't cover a huge chunk of population, we can question that.

 

[Indrajit]

Given that sample size doesn't cover a huge chunk of population, we can question that.

Sure but PEW is taken seriously and unlike India, UK isn't as diverse. They seem to get everything else right in Europe and the US and are used as a gold standard. Even Salvatore Babones used PEW data on Muslims in India to debunk the narrative that Muslims are persecuted here.

They do this every year and it's the poll that is quoted the most for attitudes regarding many countries. Same poll asks about attitudes to the US and China and very few will disagree that India's figures on China is pretty much spot on.

 

[Tshering22]

Given that the sample size doesn't cover a huge chunk of the population, we can question that.

PEW is probably the most neutral western source to evaluate things like this across the world. It does not get more neutral than them in the West. I agree that the sample size is small and does not reflect the complete reality, but that is something we will have to consider for now.

There is a chance that a lot more commoners might actually find us much more friendly and like us, unlike their established media and intelligentsia. Granted that they have a large population of salty racists who bemoan every single Indian achievement, but we cannot deny that there are many proponents as well, sometimes against their own establishment and fellow countryfolk.

 

[ezsasa]

The mesmerizing 28-foot-tall world's tallest Nataraja statue stands in front of the grand Bharat Mandapam, the venue of #G20Summit, all decked up for the biggest event of the decade on Indian soil.

 

[Tshering22]

The mesmerizing 28-foot-tall world's tallest Nataraja statue stands in front of the grand Bharat Mandapam, the venue of #G20Summit, all decked up for the biggest event of the decade on Indian soil.

I love the fact that PM Modi is sparing no opportunity to showcase our ancient civilization. Buddhist murals, naming the ShivShakti point on the moon, showcasing our ancient temples and monasteries, engaging with Dharmic spiritual leaders in the public, even so much as to show the spiritual richness and origins of Kashmir on the Republic Day float this year.

To those blackpilling hormone-driven teenagers here, you guys have a lot to catch up to think that PM Modi ji is not doing enough for all Dharmic faiths. You don't understand the foundations he is laying on which the future of our country will be created. Your personal security is your collective responsibility as much as it is of the state, and if you can't, then you are the cowards hesitant and scared to retaliate when required.

Modi ji's name will be written in golden words in our history books of the future. Name one ruler who has done so much for the country in just 23 years; first as Gujarat CM to put the state on the map to create business environment and then as the PM for the last 10 years.

Even Indira under emergency did nothing despite having the power of an empress. She could have been the Deng Xiaoping of our country and changed fortunes much before China started.