Sukhoi PAK FA

[gadeshi]

the national interest is an american website and it is extremely biased Against Russia .
We dont know the real capabilities of F-22 or Pak-fa .
Indian PMF would be different than Russian Pak-fa .

And is fucking unprofessional at the top of this.

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[Vorschlaghammer]

When will we see a Su-57 with RAM coating applied ?

 

[gadeshi]

When will we see a Su-57 with RAM coating applied ?

T-50-6-2 and later protos photos will help you.

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[Vorschlaghammer]

T-50-6-2 and later protos photos will help you.

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That black and white paint is RAM coating ? So no more VVS sky blue on production models ?

 

[gadeshi]

That black and white paint is RAM coating ? So no more VVS sky blue on production models ?

There are no external RAM coating like on F-117 on modern planes.
There are RAMs embedded into plane body panels and bones.
There are parts sculpted from RAMs entirely (except for their force skeleton) like air intake leading edges.
However, external coating can be applied to the most problem zones only.
The rest is so called Top Coat - dielectric paint making plane electrodynamically seamless.

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[smestarz]

When was F-22 produced? Late 90s After that there was some avionics upgrade, the Radar is same and not upgraded, But there was incremental upgrade in avionics, On other hand Su-57 is with new technolgies, Earlier there was gap between American and Russian tech due to collapse of Soviet union, but now the Russians have quickly caught up.

If this is true than IAF suspicion/daubt regarding pakfa's stealth capabilities, radars and engine is right.

 

[Vijyes]

When was F-22 produced? Late 90s After that there was some avionics upgrade, the Radar is same and not upgraded, But there was incremental upgrade in avionics, On other hand Su-57 is with new technolgies, Earlier there was gap between American and Russian tech due to collapse of Soviet union, but now the Russians have quickly caught up.

What many fools make it appear is that technology is something that needs 40-50 years to evolve. What they fail to understand is that by copying the earlier generations product, the later generation can simply be an upgrade. A human mind has similar capabilities irrespective of the generation - a father and a son will have similar brain capabilities (assuming genetic differences in intelligence is minor). What a father can think can't be passed on to his son. So the son has to start from some point and then relearn and by his end times, he would have similar knowledge.

The limit of human capacity once reached, will result in stagnation. We have reached that stagnation level. This is the reason India, China are catching up fast. China is about 4-5 years behind USA in technology while India is 10-12 years behind. There are many things that can be simply copied and then the parts which can't be copied ve researched upon.

 

[Superdefender]

http://gearsofbiz.com/the-sukhoi-su-57-and-the-race-to-the-fifth-generation-opinion/13165

 

[Superdefender]

https://www.rbth.com/defence/2017/08/14/how-the-russian-6th-generation-fighter-should-be_820220

 

[Vijyes]

There will be no 6th generation fighter. 5th generation is the last fighter jet generation. Kalki has already come. There will be very little technology advancement in defense or any other fields henceforth.

Let us only concern ourselves with 5th generation planes- PAK-FA, AMCA, F22, F35, J31. That's it. The end.

 

[TPFscopes]

There will be no 6th generation fighter. 5th generation is the last fighter jet generation. Kalki has already come. There will be very little technology advancement in defense or any other fields henceforth.

Let us only concern ourselves with 5th generation planes- PAK-FA, AMCA, F22, F35, J31. That's it. The end.

Sixth generation is Dubbed as the "Next Generation Tactical Aircraft"/"Next Gen TACAIR", the USAF seeks a fighter with "enhanced capabilities in areas such as reach, persistence, survivability, net-centricity, situational awareness, human-system integration and weapons effects," a November 4, 2010 presolicitation notice states. “The future system will have to counter adversaries equipped with next generation advanced electronic attack, sophisticated integrated air defense systems, passive detection, integrated self-protection, directed energy weapons, and cyber attack capabilities. It must be able to operate in the anti-access/area-denial environment that will exist in the 2030–50 timeframe.”

The sixth-generation fighters are expected to use advanced engines such as Adaptive Versatile Engine Technology to allow longer ranges and higher performance. Risk reduction began in 2012 so that engine development can start around 2020. An engine is to be ready when fighters are introduced by the Navy in 2028 and the Air Force in 2032.

And Most important is the Self Healing capability.

HAL/DRDO is working on self-Healing capability for AMCA.

 

[TPFscopes]

https://www.rbth.com/defence/2017/08/14/how-the-russian-6th-generation-fighter-should-be_820220

Meet one of the American Counterpart Boeing F-X

https://www.defensetech.org/2011/09/20/boeings-sixth-gen-fighter/

 

[Vijyes]

Sixth generation is Dubbed as the "Next Generation Tactical Aircraft"/"Next Gen TACAIR", the USAF seeks a fighter with "enhanced capabilities in areas such as reach, persistence, survivability, net-centricity, situational awareness, human-system integration and weapons effects," a November 4, 2010 presolicitation notice states. “The future system will have to counter adversaries equipped with next generation advanced electronic attack, sophisticated integrated air defense systems, passive detection, integrated self-protection, directed energy weapons, and cyber attack capabilities. It must be able to operate in the anti-access/area-denial environment that will exist in the 2030–50 timeframe.”

The sixth-generation fighters are expected to use advanced engines such as Adaptive Versatile Engine Technology to allow longer ranges and higher performance. Risk reduction began in 2012 so that engine development can start around 2020. An engine is to be ready when fighters are introduced by the Navy in 2028 and the Air Force in 2032.

And Most important is the Self Healing capability.

HAL/DRDO is working on self-Healing capability for AMCA.

Using big words don't change anything. No matter what anyone says, there will be no 6th generation fighter, even with changed names. The engine won't be developed anytime soon.

 

[TPFscopes]

If this is true than IAF suspicion/daubt regarding pakfa's stealth capabilities, radars and engine is right.

I don't think so...

F-22 is a super secret as well as Super-duper expensive project and whatever available in media (about F-22) is shared by US. most probably it is overhyped data for sure.

It is true that PAK-FA sacrificed its some of stealth for its super loaded Maneuverability.

With justified level of ToT , FGFA will be the best suitable for India.

 

[TPFscopes]

Using big words don't change anything. No matter what anyone says, there will be no 6th generation fighter, even with changed names. The engine won't be developed anytime soon.

Do you know, who sets the definition of 5th Gen of Fighter Jet ?

 

[TPFscopes]

@gadeshi
Do you have actual pics of IWB of PAK-FA?

 

[Vijyes]

Do you know, who sets the definition of 5th Gen of Fighter Jet ?

That is exactly why there won't be 6th generation jet. F22 was made in 1990 and hence lacks many electronics and sensor fusion. By that reasoning, PAK-FA, F35 and AMCA should be 6th generation

 

[TPFscopes]

That is exactly why there won't be 6th generation jet. F22 was made in 1990 and hence lacks many electronics and sensor fusion. By that reasoning, PAK-FA, F35 and AMCA should be 6th generation

if you go by definition, F-22 is more advanced than F-35.

Its a damn truth that time never stops and it proceeds generation by generation. its as similar as you belief "kalki" the 10th avtar of vishnu and there will 11th too but after 10th. This process will never stops as per Physics.

 

[TPFscopes]

@Vijyes
There is an information which is specially for you that Both Pratt and GE are currently engaged in AFRL’s Adaptive Engine Technology Development (AETD) program and pratt cleared some essential stages in it.

There is a nice article which may give you some insight on 6th gen fighter jet engines.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/pratt-unveils-sixth-generation-fighter-engine-f135-upgrade-options

 

[TPFscopes]

I found awesome articles about PAK FA
http://daisetsuzan.blogspot.in/2015/08/sukhoi-pak-fa-ivans-badass-stealth.html
http://fullafterburner.weebly.com/aerospace/sukhoi-pak-fa-the-anti-stealth-gamechanger

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