Should JnK map be redrawn within india?

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Should JnK map be redrawn within india

  1. Yes, make Jammu, kashmir, Ladakh separate units

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  2. No, keep JnK united

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  1. nrupatunga

    nrupatunga Senior Member Senior Member

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    Folks, should JnK be redrawn along ethnic/religious lines??

    The debate has been re-initiated when congress felt that ladakh may need to be made a union territory. Some say this will weaken our case on JnK. If so how??

    If am not wrong, bjp and congress(now) are for it. NC is also for it(?), so except pdp which opposes this most of them are for it or certainly not against it.

    Apart form the political aspects, how will the strategic/military aspects be impacted??

    Please lets discuss on this issue. What are the pros and cons of this??

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    @Yusuf @Ray @bennedose @pmaitra @Virendra @Razor

    any JnK folks on DFI??
     
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    UT status to Ladakah is being discussed, says Cong
     
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    Congress’s poll gimmick in J&K, seeks UT status for Ladakh
    If this move will dilute the special status of JnK and make article 370 defunct, is that bad??
     
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    nrupatunga Senior Member Senior Member

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    The leh-manali road which is open only during summer, provides a logistical challenge to keep ladakh connected. Else ladakh has to be reached only vis srinagar route. Rohtang tunnel will make matters much easier. Though not sure about the lastest update on this?? If GOI had invested more on leh-manali connectivity instead of pir panjal tunnel(this helped connectivity to srinagar, kashmir valley), ladakh would not be at the mercy of srinagar.
     
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    PM should consider making Ladakh a union territory! - By tavleen singh
     
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    One more article demanding ladakh be separated from srinagar rule
     
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    It seems that JnK upper house also has passed for creating a separate admin unit for ladakh from JnK.

    Source

     
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    There is no need to redraw the map. Article 370 must be erased and all Indians should have equal rights to buy property, open businesses and move in and out of J&K. Any group who opposes this uniform rights agenda should be dealt with full force. Their leaders arrested and put in prisons for Anti-India activities. There was no need to drag J&K problem for 60 years. Cowardice and fear has kept politicians from acting boldly in the past. Hope it will change soon.
     
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    Currently 8 people have voted. And its exact split i.e. 4 people each have voted for either options.

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    See this option is too idealistic and there are very less chances of coming through. If it that had to happen, it should have happened by now. Why would JnK politicians esp K politicians agree for toning down of the article 370. They want GOI to support them financially, its like enjoying all rights but having zero responsibilities.
     
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    I would suggest this ebook for everyone to go through. Its just 60 Rs. its around 50 pages in form Q&A. Very informative and describes the issue in detail. Please do buy.

    The MYTH of "Kashmir Problem"
     
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    Voted for separate units for the simple reason of geography.

    Right now there is a thing called 'durbar move' where the JK capital shifts twice a year between Jammu and Kashmir.

    But what about Ladakh?
     
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    This may sound strange coming from a Telanganavadi, and proponent of more state divisions for administrative improvements, but I feel it's ill-advised to divide J&K. We must divide our-controlled J&K the way Pakistan divided POK, only if we have completely given up on ever recovering POK and AC. The monolithic nature of India-administered J&K will strengthen our case for recovery of POK, since we will not have interfered with the unity and functioning of the state, while Pakistan will have ended up in the wrong. If and when we've recovered POK, we can redraw state boundaries within the state.
     
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    Militarily it would make no difference.

    Ethnically and sects the areas in J&K are different.

    The Valley is Sunni
    Kargil is Shia
    Ladhak is predominantly Buddhists.
    Kistwar is mixed
    Jammu is Hindu
    Sundarbani is mixed
    Rajauri and Punch is Sunni, but the people are totally different ethnically than the Valley.

    If Ladhak becomes a UT, then it will impact Pakistan alone since they will not be able to rouse the Kashmir issue with the same emotive fervour as they do now since the Shias (who are persecuted in Pakistan) will not echo any sentiment as Kargil/ Dras would be in the UT and de-linked from Kashmir.
     
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    Precisely why ladakh should be made a union territory.
     
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    J&K was never a monolith. Dividing it for easy of administration is welcome.

    Make Jammu separate
    Ladakh separate
    And instead of keeping Valley separate, split into 2 zones. One with a few districts from Jammu and one with a few districts from Ladakh.

    That way we will have 4 zones. And a weak (not united) Valley and a plausible deniability that we want an ethnic division. ;)
     
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    I agree completely .
     
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    Somehow entire POK would come back to india w/o physically taking it back i.e. via diplomacy or any other way imo should be ruled out. When we are actaully seeing via diplomacy(aka peace process) we are actually handing it to pakis.

    I feel instead of waiting for utopia, we should improve the lives of ladakis and Jammu folks. Esp ladakh connectivity via leh-manali should made into a all-weather road. To counter china this is a BIG MUST. If this weakens the article 370 status to kashmir part, then this should be done ASAP. From what we are seeing the demography is changing in favor of kashmiris in both ladakh and jammu region. Now we are seeing riots happening in jammu region more frequently.


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    If am not wrong the entire valley is in a way able to blackmail dilli because it controls the route to ladakh and siachen. If leh-manali route is not open entire year, we have to knee before separatists who can make it difficult for army to move freely into and out of ladakh.

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    Finally we have to see how to dilute article 370 and implement it w/o openly saying so. So can the dilution of article 370 be done??
     
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    nrupatunga Senior Member Senior Member

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    If need be we should go back to 1840's when current state of JnK was formed(JnK as in the areas which GoI recognises as JnK) to find any loopholes which we can exploit and carve out ladakh(if not jammu) from JnK.

    @Singh If am not wrong the treaty of amritsar in mid 1840's created the JnK as we know it. How did it come about, any plausible loopholes to exploit??
     
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    Leh - Manali highway route

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    Please confirm.
    Sikhs had only recently annexed all these frontier areas part of present day J&K, and had not brought them under direct rule of Lahore
    1846 Treaty of Amristar concluded the sale of present day J&K (or frontier areas not under Lahore) to Gulab Singh (minus Lahaul?)

    Sino-Sikh Treaty of Chusul clearly states that Chinese acknowledge taht Ladakh and CoK is part of India.
    Treaty of Amritsar clearly states that J&K was a princely state with defined borders
    Kashmir ascension treaty clearly states that Kashmir is part of India

    We don't need to find any loopholes. Just say for the sake of administrative ease, India is dividing J&K into 3-4 parts. Pakistan did it with PoK, AJK and Northern Areas/Gilgit-Baltistan.
     
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