Russia's pivot towards Pakistan ( view from Russia )

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pakistan is no dought a dishrace of the higest order when it comes to there policy of choosing potential allies these same pakistanies bended over to USA to help USA finish off USSR dream to reach warm waters and now they are doing the opposite

its like when a roudy is forcing you to hand over your women to him you refuse and for that you take help of another roudy which not just rapes your women but also gives your women to be gang raped by its mercenarries and today since you have no choice are ready to marry your doughter to the same roudy ... what a sorry sorry picture of disghust and moral bancruptsy
 

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No.1 weapons and related technologies supplier for both sides;
Important oil supplier for both sides and potentially most important oil supplier for both sides in the future;
Rich of various resources which desperately demanded by Chinese and India industries;
World No.2 military power;
World No.3 political power;
Most influential country in central Asia and important player in Middle East;
One of P5
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With all these, yes, Russia is in a very strong position to mediate issues between China and India.
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No.1 weapon exporter to India, No.1 weapon 'embargoer' to China
Important oil supplier to the rest of the world moderating global prices
Rich of various technologies and goods which desperately demanded by Chinese and Indian people
World No.1 military power
World No.1 political power
Most influential and important player in any part of the world
Three of P5
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No.1 weapon exporter to India, No.1 weapon 'embargoer' to China
Important oil supplier to the rest of the world moderating global prices
Rich of various technologies and goods which desperately demanded by Chinese and Indian people
World No.1 military power
World No.1 political power
Most influential and important player in any part of the world
Three of P5
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What now?
What is your point? I simply tell someone that Russia has enough influence and strength to play.
 

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Now, the solution is not to arm Pakistan. The solution is to weaken it and dissolve it. That is the only solution India has to seek, and it might have to wait a while for the correct time, and it might have to fight it out alone.
Well, I don't think that is going to work.
Pakistan is your enemy, far weaker than you. But the problem is you leave her no choice other than surrendering or death. Under such circumstance, what solution could they have? They will simply jump into the bed of anyone who is willing to provide help. It is bad for them? Yes! But it is even worse for India. As a country who is growing herself into a world power, you always have a time bomb next to you. And what is worst? You gain little from defeating them.

How can you seek not to arm Pakistan? It is not up India, neither Chinese/Americans/Arabians. As long as Pakistan is still willing to confront with India, there will always someone out there providing help.
 

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Well, I don't think that is going to work.
Pakistan is your enemy, far weaker than you. But the problem is you leave her no choice other than surrendering or death. Under such circumstance, what solution could they have? They will simply jump into the bed of anyone who is willing to provide help. It is bad for them? Yes! But it is even worse for India. As a country who is growing herself into a world power, you always have a time bomb next to you. And what is worst? You gain little from defeating them.

How can you seek not to arm Pakistan? It is not up India, neither Chinese/Americans/Arabians. As long as Pakistan is still willing to confront with India, there will always someone out there providing help.
India is no Epirus, and India itself has little choice. No matter what India does, there has never been shortage of one who is willing to arm Pakistan. Pakistan loves to be anyone's accessory. The only solution is the complete demise of Pakistan.

No war is won without bloodshed. Crimea is an exception.
 

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India is no Epirus, and India itself has little choice.
That is the problem, isn't it? You are the stronger side and you are telling the weaker side that there is nothing you can do but pointing the gun on his head. I don't know what does it sound to you, but to me, it is pretty much an ultimate threat. Even Americans have never said that.

No matter what India does, there has never been shortage of one who is willing to arm Pakistan. Pakistan loves to be anyone's accessory.
Really? How about making an offer to them: "Let's split Kashmir."? They may not agree with you, but at least make some Pakistan people believe they may have a chance to negotiate rather than war. If Pakistan itself has good reason not to arm, no one can force them no matter how good the offer could be.


The only solution is the complete demise of Pakistan.
When people is yelling"The only solution is the complete demise of Pakistan.", how can you blame Pakistan arm herself.

And I am not sure the demise of Pakistan will be the end of the story, or just the beginning of another.

No war is won without bloodshed. Crimea is an exception.
That is right, waste your blood on Pakistan, Chinese and Americans will be quite happy about that.
 

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That is the problem, isn't it? You are the stronger side and you are telling the weaker side that there is nothing you can do but pointing the gun on his head. I don't know what does it sound to you, but to me, it is pretty much an ultimate threat. Even Americans have never said that.
It is not about strength. Pakistan lost all wars, so they resort to terrorism. Civilians are the only target they can hope to achieve anything against. Hence, India has no option but to either hope for, or create sitations for Pakistans demise.

Really? How about making an offer to them: "Let's split Kashmir."? They may not agree with you, but at least make some Pakistan people believe they may have a chance to negotiate rather than war. If Pakistan itself has good reason not to arm, no one can force them no matter how good the offer could be.
The only thing we would be interested in negoting is whether Pakistan hands over PoK and Gilgit-Baltistan to India amicably, or have it taken by India by force at an opportune time.


When people is yelling"The only solution is the complete demise of Pakistan.", how can you blame Pakistan arm herself.

And I am not sure the demise of Pakistan will be the end of the story, or just the beginning of another.



That is right, waste your blood on Pakistan, Chinese and Americans will be quite happy about that.
Unfortunately, it might not be long before PLA blood is wasted fighting Uighurs, encouraged by PRC's convenient ally Pakistan. Pakistan serves as a benefit to PRC. It keeps India in check. What PRC might not understand is that a snake, if trained bite one particular man, end learning just to bite, regardless of who the man is.
 

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What is your point? I simply tell someone that Russia has enough influence and strength to play.
Russia has no influence over India. If it tried to leverage its position as key spares supplier then that would be the end of India's defence purchases from Russia (it is at 3rd position today). Oil? We practically neighbour the middle east. Russia is not even in the Top 10 of India's Oil suppliers.

India and China's problems are multi-dimensional. Both countries are mature enough to handle the issues themselves and will not accept any third party diktats. Russia has no role to play.
 

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Russia’s New Game Plan

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September 18, 2015

On September 9, geopolitics unexpectedly hit the news headlines when Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov made an important statement about the ongoing talks between Moscow and Islamabad on the delivery of Russian multirole Mi-35M attack helicopters and the latest Su-35 fighter jets. Ryabkov said Pakistan is Russia's “closest partner” and the ties between the two countries are evolving beyond the military sphere to include other sectors such as energy. At the same time, he also suggested that this will not have a negative impact on relations between Moscow and New Delhi.

Coming from a top Russian official, these statements cannot be considered as a mere kite flying stunt by the Russian media. Such a tectonic strategic shift may not have come as a pleasant news to Indian ears, but before we react to this startling change in the Russian position, it is important to first understand the deeper and nuanced aspects of Russia’s motives.

Interestingly, within days of Ryabkov’s statement, a prominent Russian political analyst Andrew Korybko provocatively detailed why Pakistan is gaining pivotal importance in the Russian geo-strategic calculus. The article, titled Pakistan is the “Zipper” of Pan-Eurasian Integration”, appeared on 15 September on the website of the Russian government funded think-tank – Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISS) established by the President of the Russian Federation. The RISS puts up policy papers to the President’s office, the Federation Council, the State Duma and the Security Council as well as to Government offices, ministries and departments. (The RISS has closely interacted with IDSA in the past and the two institutions have signed a MoU for joint research. However, the Russian think-tank has not shown much interest for cooperation with IDSA in the past few years).

As a keen watcher of Eurasian affairs, I thought it is important to share the significant points articulated by Andrew Korybko in his rather astounding article so that the Indian strategic community can understand the new thinking among informed Russian circles.

In Part I of his article, Korybko deals with the ‘zipper’ concept of how Pakistan can draw together four of Eurasia’s most prominent economic entities, and examines the key imperatives for Russia to build a strong Strategic Partnership with Pakistan. In Part II, he does crystal gazing on the most probable ways in which the US can attempt to offset everything or derail Pakistan’s future destiny of joining the Eurasian integration process.

Korbyko’s article begins by saying that contrary to popular myth about Pakistan as a “backward land of terrorism and poverty” that carries little actual weight, the West purposefully neglects the country’s rising geopolitical importance in Eurasia and its potential to connect the massive economies of the Eurasian Union, Iran, SAARC, and China to create an integrated pan-Eurasian economic zone.

The article then elaborates why Russia recognises Pakistan’s prime geopolitical potential and how it is manoeuvring to speed up the development of full-spectrum relations with this “South Asian gatekeeper.” It says that Russia’s overarching goal is to provide a “non-provocative balancing component to bolster Pakistan’s regional political position and assist with its peaceful integration into the multi-polar Eurasian framework being constructed by the Sino-Russian Strategic Partnership.”

Interestingly, it draws attention to China’s grand vision of building a trans-Pakistani trade corridor under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which could be a catalyst for connecting the four economic blocs together. This includes linking of the Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) with SAARC intersecting at the Xinjiang-Pakistan junction to be developed under the CPEC.

From the Russian perspective, the article suggests, the CPEC not only represents a “geopolitical pivot for China, but also a geo-economic one”, for “it’ll position the country within easy access to the Mideast oil fields”. This is the only way China will be able to quell the “externally orchestrated destabilization that it’s lately found itself experiencing in Xinjiang.”

It stresses the importance of the Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline project (a part of the CPEC) becoming a reality and suggests that “should Xinjiang succeed in becoming a significant Eurasian trading hub in connecting China, Eurasian Union, SAARC, and Iran, then it would catapult in geo-economic significance to become an ultra-strategic Heartland region.”

On the prospect of India joining the Eurasian system, Korbyko’s article says that the touchy issue of India’s claim over “Pakistan-administered Kashmir” could come in the way. However, “if Indian companies employ this route, the economic allure might be too tempting to resist.” Further, if Indo-Pak differences could be relaxed (perhaps within the SCO framework), then “the organization would finally be able to cash in on its economic capability and fully integrate with itself and the rest of Eurasia.”

Importantly, the article discloses how Russia’s strategic ties with Pakistan are moving towards very “exciting future possibilities” despite Russia being “India’s closest friend”. It notes that the emerging trend might appear somewhat “perplexing” but it isn’t all that “unexpected.” Because, the end of the Cold War and the subsequent emergence of South Asian “nuclear bipolarity” have reduced the intensity of Indo-Russian strategic ties as well as America’s dealings with Pakistan. These shifts in focus (India’s westward and Pakistan’s eastward) do not, however, suggest that either India or Pakistan has completely deserted its erstwhile partner; only that they are seeking adjustments to protect their national interest in the changed context. But at the same time, these shifts in focus have not yet altered the Indo-Pak standoff. In this context, the article notes, both India and Pakistan seem to be willing to give multilateralism under Eurasia a chance, as evident from their entry into the SCO.

More interestingly, the author points to the Kremlin’s calculation of its ability to intermediate between Beijing and New Delhi in the event of a major India-China crisis. But he also says that Russia does not enjoy the same leverage to do so in an India-Pakistan conflict situation. As a result, in the latter situation, Moscow would prefer to “push the US into the mix – giving it plenty of opportunity to divide and conquer according to the present geopolitical circumstances.” Korybko then goes to point out that if Russia were to compensate for its diplomatic ‘blind spot’ with Pakistan and reinvigorate the bilateral relationship with Islamabad, then it could mirror the role that it plays between India and China in also helping to balance the tension between India and Pakistan.” This strategy, the article argues, would eventually “push the US out of the playing field, though India will still retain its current level of ties with the US but not for the purpose counterbalancing Pakistan.” It suggests that both India and Pakistan would then rather rely on their same “trusted partner Russia”, which for its part will be able to mediate between the two (like it does with India and China).

The article admits to the trust deficit between India and Pakistan as the weakest link in the ‘zipper’ vision, though the vision could still succeed without the SAARC component because the “EEU would gain by India’s physical incorporation into the unified Eurasian infrastructural framework.” Korybko also points to Russian diplomatic and strategic competence being capable of minimizing Indo-Pak discord and exploring the economic benefit of their peaceful collaboration.

The Russian analyst then explains how Russia made the first strategic move in this regard in June 2014 by offering to sell attack helicopters to Pakistan for the latter’s drug-combating efforts. Though the “paradigm shift” was attributed by many to Russia’s concerns over post-2014 NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan, the main idea was to initiate the process of depolarisation in India-Pakistan tensions and to make the multi-polar concept more cohesive as a result. The article says that Russia’s next move would be to help Pakistan with technical expertise for building a portion of the Iran-Pakistan-China gas pipeline in the near future.

According to the write up, Pakistan’s own excitement has increased after sensing the enormous economic opportunities that will unfold after CPEC completion. Pakistanis could see the “writing on the wall” and even contemplate sealing a free trade agreement with the Eurasian Union. This signifies how seriously Russia takes its evolving partnership with Pakistan. The article underlines how the relationship is also gaining a soft power touch, with both sides preparing for their first-ever cultural exchange year. In a symbolic significance of what is likely to come, the article says that “Pakistan’s national military band performed at the Moscow International Music Festival.”

The article notes that “there should thus be no doubt at this point about the commitment of both sides for deepening the relationship as the ongoing interactions between the two are beyond passing convergence of business interests.” It further says that “Both sides understand the larger significance of what they’re doing”, which is to work for the “shared vision of an integrated and multi-polar Eurasia.”

However, on the down side and for the Eurasian enterprise to succeed, the author anticipates that CPEC and the ‘zipper’ plan could face a major blow either due to instability within Pakistan or India’s possible refusal to participate in it.

Interestingly, the article notes that any possibility of all-round Russia-Pakistan engagement could speed up Indo-US proximity which, in turn, will lead to provocation by the “US and its information proxies”. Things could also be exacerbated by an exaggerated “Indian threat assessment of Russia’s activities.” Any Indian paranoia over Russia’s ‘sliding away’ to join the China-Pakistan ‘axis’ would consequently negate the main reasons behind the Russian-Pakistan strategic partnership, which is to “place Moscow in a position to intermediate between New Delhi and Islamabad and keep regional relations stable enough so as to jump start the envisioned multilateral economic partnership.”

The author, however, argues that Russia’s Pakistan gambit might fail most likely because of the United States playing dirty. In such a scenario, Russia would be worse off and risk losing a major strategic partner in India. Pakistan, on the other hand, will “never see its relation with Russia as equal level to one it has with China.”

The article cautions that Russia needs to proceed delicately taking into consideration how the Indian establishment views Russia’s evolving ties with Pakistan. It does not discount the ability of the US to split Russia and India through Pakistan, like it did with Russia and the European Union through Ukraine (although for different reasons).

The author fears the possibility of the US creating a rift through “information warfare” especially when Indo-US defence ties are deepening. He notes that this could have in a way “possibly played a part in influencing Moscow’s decision to resume arms exports to Pakistan.” The article draws attention to the saliency of “underreported military development” that makes the US more integral to India’s national security, and this it says coincides with New Delhi’s strategic overlap with the US in containing China. “The longer this progresses, the further the US will embed itself into India’s deep state apparatus, with all of the unfortunate foreign policy consequences for the multi-polar world” the article notes.

The writer then dwells on the personal rapport shared between Modi and Obama and other aspects of the Indo-US friendship which, he thinks, could be an “exaggerated charade for political purposes, there’s nothing tangible to indicate that this is the case” and by itself doesn’t pose any worries for Russia.” But what really worries Russia is the possibility of Obama leveraging his friendship with Modi to “enact certain policy shifts”, such as “his encouragement to India’s Act East policy for unstated reason that can aggravate relations with China.” According to Korybko, Russian interests would be most endangered by the “US winning over India into viewing the Russian-Pakistan strategic partnership as a threat” and suggests that Putin should “continually reinforce his relationship with Modi so that the latter is insusceptible to being tricked by Obama into doubting the Russian President’s intentions.”(It is pertinent to note here that in his congratulatory message to Prime Minister Modi on his 65th birthday, issued by the Kremlin on September 17, President Putin praised how the Prime Minister rightly enjoys high international authority both in his homeland and abroad as a proficient politician and statesman. The message says “we highly appreciate your efforts to strengthen the special and privileged strategic partnership between our countries, develop Russian-Indian interaction in solving topical issues of the regional and global agenda.”)

Further, the article points to the likelihood of American involvement in creating instability in Baluchistan. Baluch separatism driven by American interests is not just for destabilising Gwadar (the source of CPEC) or for the political fragmentation of Pakistan but to create a new geopolitical space to be carved out of the Iranian province of Sistan and Baluchistan as well. Such a Baluch proxy, it says, could provide the US with a greater degree of influence over both Iran and India in controlling trans-regional transport connectivity. Of course, the author cites the Pentagon’s foremost author Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters’ infamous map Blood Borders: How a Better Middle East Would Look, which specifically earmarks a “Free Baluchistan” carved out of Iranian and Pakistani territory.

Korybko then moves beyond the Baluch separatist scenario to highlight the presence of militant Islamic radicalism in FATA – the most important destabilising factor in Pakistan. To add to that he draws attention to the rise of ISIL and its “expansive neo-Caliphate ideology” in Afghanistan’s three provinces of Farah (west), Helmand (south), and Nangarhar (east). The ISIL, he says, could use Nangarhar province as a staging ground for pushing deeper into Pakistan by eliminating the Durand Line and “annex” the ‘state of Hind’ (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Myanmar). Further, Korybko also says that if more “Taliban fighters defect to the up-and-coming group” a scenario of a birth of a “transnational ‘mini-Caliphate’ between Nangarhar and parts of FATA would evoke the shades of ISIL’s prior successes along the Syrian-Iraqi border.” Not just that, the article vividly points to how ISIL is also moving in the northern direction, citing the defection in May of Colonel Gulmurod Khalimov, the head of Tajikistan’s Internal Special Forces, to ISIL. It hints at the possibility of ISIL gaining invaluable intelligence and employing Khalimov’s knowledge in infiltrating into the most ‘ideal’ location in Gorno-Badakhstan region. If this occurs concurrently, the article suggests, the “US then would be keen, among other things, to take revenge for Kyrgyzstan denouncing its cooperation agreement with the US.” Therefore, the article does not rule out the possibility of a quadrilateral South-Central Asian Caliphate emerging in “heavily fortified Pamir and Hindu Kush mountain ranges, with Pakistan being the southern peg of this vile construction.”

The article paints another disruptive scenario of how the US could derail Pakistan’s geo-economic destiny by engineering a possible “Colour Revolution against Prime Minister Sharif or any of his successors”, although it also says that the violent protests last year did not pan out as a doom and gloom scenario for Pakistan. Korybko does not foretell the exact contours of the follow-up disruptive attempt, but says that with the “improved political technology available” it might likely embrace “anti-corruption” slogans led by an amorphous and superficially apolitical “civil society” in Pakistan. Such a structural innovation, the article suggests, would “allow the coup’s leaders to readjust their social infrastructure (leadership, members, slogans, etc.) on the fly a lot more efficiently than if they followed the comparatively rigid practices of their predecessors in organizing the event around clearly defined political parties led by a few well-known (and easily compromised) individuals.”

This scenario to be deployed in Pakistan would be “Colour Revolution 1.5”. The article notes that this will be halfway between the comparatively ‘docile’ 2003 Colour Revolution 1.0 in Georgia and the “out-of-control Hybrid War mayhem of Colour Revolution 2.0 in EuroMaidan.” Colour Revolution 1.5 in Pakistan could go either way, “towards 1.0 if it sputters out like in Armenia or towards 2.0 if it dangerously intensifies like it did in Syria.” The article says that 1.5 could become a dangerous innovation to “regime change strategy” and that the US would be committed to apply it first with smaller targets before being “perfected and repackaged to Pakistan.”

The article argues that Moscow has rightly taken the “bold step in reaching out to Islamabad and soliciting a strategic partnership” and the quick pace of the partnership taking a revolutionary shape is a “natural fit for both partners.” But this trend, according to the article, has incited the US’ “geopolitical jealousy”, which is keen to call upon a “mixed bag of secessionist, terrorist, and Colour Revolution destabilizations to offset Pakistan’s catalytic role in bringing Eurasia together.” The author then calls upon Russia, China, and Iran to defeat the threat so that Pakistan can become Eurasia’s economic ‘zipper’ and linking these (and perhaps even SAARC’s) economies together in an emboldened multi-polar future.

The article concludes by saying that the EU is mistakenly staying out (due to US pressure) of this trans-Eurasian integration process, which is becoming the primary theme of the 21st century. But “the rest of the main continental economic powers – the Eurasian Union, Iran, SAARC, and China – stand poised for closer integration with one another owing to the infrastructural overlap that Pakistan’s geostrategic location provides.”

The central theme of Korbyko’s article is to highlight the pivotal importance of Pakistan and the Russian eagerness to build a foundation of political trust with the Pakistani leadership so as to better assist in the management of Pakistani-Indian tensions.

To be sure, Pakistan can certainly help Russia shift its focus away from its current difficulties but Moscow should be doubly careful whether Pakistan will not become a staging ground to break up Russia further. The Americans have already tested the Pakistani betrayal, and China too sooner or later will become another victim of Pakistani treachery.

Surely, the Russians have always displayed enthusiasm for mediation between India and Pakistan, but Moscow would do well to remind itself of its failure to achieve success in the mid-1960s. I will leave the interpretation and analysis of this important article to the readers.

Views expressed are of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of the IDSA or of the Government of India

http://www.idsa.in/issuebrief/RussiasNewGamePlan_pstobdan_180915.html
 

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Let's check:
No.1 weapons and related technologies supplier for both sides;
Important oil supplier for both sides and potentially most important oil supplier for both sides in the future;
Rich of various resources which desperately demanded by Chinese and India industries;
World No.2 military power;
World No.3 political power;
Most influential country in central Asia and important player in Middle East;
One of P5
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With all these, yes, Russia is in a very strong position to mediate issues between China and India.
First, do remember its Russia, not the Soviet Union and its not 1971.

Next, rather than go point by point, testing the assertions you make, let me just ask you when has Russia mediated?

Simple fact, considering the dire economic condition and developing Chinese defense industry, Russia is dependent on India while we have other options.

Everyone in the world tries to play balancing games; however, this one game is beyond the current Russia by a wide margin. They are out of their depth.

Well, I don't think that is going to work.
Pakistan is your enemy, far weaker than you. But the problem is you leave her no choice other than surrendering or death. Under such circumstance, what solution could they have? They will simply jump into the bed of anyone who is willing to provide help. It is bad for them? Yes! But it is even worse for India. As a country who is growing herself into a world power, you always have a time bomb next to you. And what is worst? You gain little from defeating them.

How can you seek not to arm Pakistan? It is not up India, neither Chinese/Americans/Arabians. As long as Pakistan is still willing to confront with India, there will always someone out there providing help.
Pak's balkanization is inevitable considering the trajectory of that nation. We need not do much, merely back groups in a calibrated manner, adequately timed to suit our purposes.

They can do what they want and prostitute themselves to whoever they wish to, it will at worst have a short term impact on India.

A time bomb helps keep you on your toes. Having China and Pak around drives our lazy establishment into defense modernization and force projection they might not have indulged in otherwise due to delusions of early leaders such as Nehru.

What's to be gained by defeating them? More control over south Asia, better access to central Asia, undermining the main opponent China etc. The list would be lengthy if one were to put some thought into it.

As long as there is Pak, there will be someone to sell them arms in payment for their prostitution; thus, the solution is to disintegrate Pak.
 

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It is not about strength. Pakistan lost all wars, so they resort to terrorism. Civilians are the only target they can hope to achieve anything against. Hence, India has no option but to either hope for, or create sitations for Pakistans demise.

The only thing we would be interested in negoting is whether Pakistan hands over PoK and Gilgit-Baltistan to India amicably, or have it taken by India by force at an opportune time.
So, you give Pakistanis every reason to continue their fight and you are still asking why they don't surrender.


Unfortunately, it might not be long before PLA blood is wasted fighting Uighurs, encouraged by PRC's convenient ally Pakistan.
Ironically, opposing to what Indians believe here, Uighurs are not supported by Pakistan. Instead, they were trained by Americans and Indians. And Pakistan army, on the other hand, is quite helpful in crashing Uighurs.

Pakistan serves as a benefit to PRC. It keeps India in check. What PRC might not understand is that a snake, if trained bite one particular man, end learning just to bite, regardless of who the man is.
That we have to thank India, with the help of yours, Pakistan really have no spare capabilities to bite anyone else but you. Thank you.
 
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So, you give Pakistanis every reason to continue their fight and you are still asking why they don't surrender.
There is no need to give them any reason. They will do what they do, reason or no reason. The fact that Pakistan even came into existence testifies to the fact. Indian Muslims wanted a separate homeland because they assumed they would be discriminated against. This was an assumed reason, but this is not true, and is proven by the fact an average Indian Muslims would rather live in India than move to Pakistan.

So, India needs to give no reason to Pakistan. Pakistan has given enough reasons for India to do what it does and what it has been mulling.

Ironically, opposing to what Indians believe here, Uighurs are not supported by Pakistan. Instead, they were trained by Americans and Indians. And Pakistan army, on the other hand, is quite helpful in crashing Uighurs.
Uighurs are supported by elements withing Pakistan, who are deeply connected with the Pakistani Army and the ISI.

That we have to thank India, with the help of yours, Pakistan really have no spare capabilities to bite anyone else but you. Thank you.
Pakistan does not even have the capability to bite those that are nibbling it from within.
 

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So, India needs to give no reason to Pakistan. Pakistan has given enough reasons for India to do what it does and what it has been mulling.
Ok, great, you have an enemy who is willing to fight to death end and we have a country who is willing do everything to collapse India's dream. Looks like it works for both of us.

Uighurs are supported by elements withing Pakistan, who are deeply connected with the Pakistani Army and the ISI.
Well, most of these Uighurs are trained in the Afghanistan camp hosted by Americans with American weapon. In 2000s, Chinese intelligence even found Indians started the similar kind of camp in Afghanistan training Uighurs and Pakistani terrorists.


Pakistan does not even have the capability to bit those that are nibbling it from within.
of course, thousands tanks and hundreds thousands soldiers are deploying near India-Pakistan border because Pakitan doesn't have the capability to bite.
 

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China’s Pakistan-occupied Kashmir tunnels ring alarm bells for India

Sunday, October 04, 2015
By : Daily Mail UK

China's move to construct five tunnels to open up a new section of the Karakoram Highway in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) last month has signalled Beijing’s intent to go forward with ambitious projects despite India’s increasingly vocal concerns and rising security concerns in the restive disputed region.

In a major project that will ensure year-round land connectivity linking China and Pakistan through PoK, the China Road and Bridge Corporation has constructed five seven km-long tunnels on the Karakoram Highway.

Earlier, this particular section had been cut off on account of a barrier lake formed at Attabad, which had blocked access since 2010 after landslides.


CPEC commitment

Reports in Chinese state media have highlighted the project as signalling Beijing’s commitment to the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) plan, which connects the frontier Xinjiang region through PoK to the Gwadar port in Pakistan on the Arabian Sea.

Pakistan’s commitment to set up an exclusive security force to protect Chinese personnel and projects has, at least for now, appeared to assuage Beijing’s concerns about security fears and unrest in PoK.

The next second phase of upgrading the Karakoram Highway is slated to cost $920 million, part of the $11 billion earmarked for a range of infrastructure projects under the CPEC.

A Chinese media report detailed how the newly-paved road through PoK was bringing China and Pakistan closer, quoting a Pakistani businessman who travels from Kashgar in Xinjiang, a distance of 300 km from the Khunjerab Pass, to Gilgit in PoK.

In August, China invited as many as 300 officials and experts from Pakistan and China to Karamay,

in Xinjiang, for a two-day meeting to discuss and take forward new projects on the corridor, including in PoK.

According to Chinese media reports, 20 agreements worth $1.6 billion were signed during the Pakistani officials’ trip.
 

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Russia suffered and still suffers from Radical Islam terrorism and will in no way support Pakistan. because they know that it will backfire in time. If Russia tries to appease Pakistan, it will lead to the loss of Indian support and the Russians are no fools to loose the Indian support....
 

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If MAHACHINNA (CHINA) tries to hurt India in anyway then it (MAHACHINNA) will not be spared...

INDIA and the INDIANS know how to counter the MAHACINNACHARAM.....
 

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Russians are not fools to give away the new generation Su-35 to pakistan as it did not give it China. Chinese are still trying hard to reverse engineer the engines of the Su-35 they got from Russia. Eve if pakistan gets Su-35, do you think that the Russian's will provide the spares during a war between India and Pakistan? Not even the Americans did so in the 1971 war. All arms and ammunition given to the pakistani's during the 1971 war, by the Americans were nothing more than duds......... Pakistan is being funded by the Americans. Do you think America will give money to pakistan so thath they can buy from the Russian's?
 

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What happens if a Russia were to invade Afghanistan today. Would Pakistan be allowed and permitted to point and use their nuclear weapons towards Russia.

It is a joke to use a piece of paper to say Pakistan can only point their weapons to east and only to India.

India is not mecca of Pakistan nuclear weapons. The express acceptance of Pakistan nuclear weapon is that they will be used to defend sunni (wherever money is) saudi and mecca ... These ranges alone cover beyond and near to Israel. USA policy to Pakistan has failed and it comes across to be not only anti india but absolutely anti Israel. What a shame.
 

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Russians know that they will always be pushed and stabbed from the west. Their history speaks very clearly on that.
They want to dig in their heels as deep and wide as possible in Asia. This will be their platform
Relations with China, India and the central Asian states are all a part of that vision.
By pivoting to Pakistan (+Afghanistan) they want to plug a gap.
Next act could be to scout for partners in ASEAN (it has been some time since Obama visited there).

As far as rent-boy Pakistan is concerned, Russia is not the west that Pakis have expertise in milking.
But it is also not possible for us to completely stop Russians from making business and geo-political moves in their own interest. Even if that involves Pakistan.

We should place a lakshman rekha in front of Russians, you cross it and there will be more business lost with us than you gain with them. Such a message should be sent across.
India will gradually move from import to indigenous phase in defence and the ball has been set in motion. Everybody knows that; so that Russians naturally want to adjust by scouting for new markets proactively.

Their present economic strain also mandates that they look for all sources of squeezing money or leverage (whichever is offered).
If that comes from a traditional west supplied customer, all the merrier.

Regards,
Virendra
 

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So, you give Pakistanis every reason to continue their fight and you are still asking why they don't surrender..
You lack perspective to India Pak conflict, bias is understandable since India and China are rivals, but please don't talk nonsense. Individual comments and state policies are 2 different things. When pakistanis started targeting Indian population with terrorism it basically means a threat to our internal security, there's a reason why any nation, including CCP takes internal security seriously.

So basically pakistan is giving India every reason to be aggressive in its approach. But India's approach has been anything but aggressive. Even after the recent Pathankot incident India has done nothing against Pakistan.

Even Pakistan's PM himself stated that Pak backstabbed India for it peace initiatives in 1999.
 

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