Russia To Nudge India Toward Buying BMP-3s

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  1. sasi

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    Russia To Nudge India Toward Buying BMP-3s | Defense News | defensenews.com
    NEW DELHI — Russia is hoping to persuade India to shelve its $10 billion homemade Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) project and instead buy Russian BMP-3 vehicles, according to an Indian Defence Ministry source.
    Russia has offered to transferBMP-3 combat vehicle technology to India if India cancels the FICV project, which has yet to take off four years after it was conceived. Russian President Vladimir Putin will likely make the offer during summit talks with IndianPrime Minister Manmohan Singh on Dec. 24, the source added.
    An Indian Army officer said buying BMP-3s on a license-production basis would make better sense because the FICV likely won’t be inducted in the next 10 years. In the meantime, India’s existing Russian-made infantry combatvehicles — BMP-1s and -2s —need upgrades, he said.
    Putin was scheduled to visit New Delhi in November, but the visit was postponed. Whileno official reason was given, sources in the Indian Foreign Ministry said Moscow was reacting to a delay in the implementation of the Indo-Russian nuclear project in southern India’s Tamil Nadustate. In addition, the Russians want a greater share of the Indian defense market, which is shifting to theU.S. and other Western nations.
    Under the FICV project, India will spend $10 billion to produce 2,600 vehicles to replace the older BMPs. The project falls into the “Make India” category, in which only domestic automobile companiescan compete. The shortlisted company or consortium will develop the FICV prototype while the government funds nearly 80 percent of development costs.
    The FICV project was approved nearly four years ago. Since then, domestic Mahindra Defence Systems has partnered with BAE Systems; Larsen & Toubro is also working on overseas partnerships. Tata Motors is also attempting to tie up with overseas companies after its deal with Rheinmetall stalled following India’s blacklisting ofthe German company’s Swiss subsidiary. State-owned Ordnance Factory Board is also in the race.
    While Russia has partnered with India on several joint development projects — and moved away from mere “Buy and Make” weapons relations — India has had issues with complete technology transfer from Russia and has often complained about after-sales support, especially on spares and their prices. India and Russia are jointly producing the supersonic BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile and are under contract to jointly produce fifth-generation fighters and multirole transport aircraft. Russia has yet to transfer full technology of its T-90 tanks, which are license-produced here, another Indian Army officer said.
    India’s MoD is also struggling to resolve timely supply of spares for Sukhoi and MiG-29 aircraft, Smerch multibarrel rocket systems, and upgradesto Kilo-class submarines and a variety of Russian air defense systems.
    Indian defense forces have a large inventory of former Soviet and Russian weaponry,which they want to replace or upgrade soon. It is estimated that this market is worth morethan $30 billion. And while Russia wants India to upgradethis inventory, the users — the Indian Army, Air Force andNavy — want to replace the weaponry with supplies from the U.S. and other Western nations.
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  3. sesha_maruthi27

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    It is high time for indigenous development of equipment's as Russia is charging more money and is providing us with old Soviet technology.......

    We have our own Private competitors who can do better than the Russian design............
     
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  4. Damian

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    I would not take BMP-3, it is awfull design, problematic. The main weapon and autoloader design is complex and problematic. All in all IMHO the FICV projects presented by TATA are better in overall design.
     
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    We should move away from russian. They blood suckers !
     
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    yes from what i have observed the BMP-3 is slightly better than BMP-2 when it comes to armor protection and although it is heavily armed it's not at all suitable for urban warfare!so i think it's much better to develop our own indigenous IFCV as it will be designed specifically to suit our need!:rolleyes:
     
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    We have to give a fair chance for our INDIAN competitors also......
     
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    Not a design to go for its outdated by today standards better go for western equivalents or the FICV
     
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    Well the BMP-3 as not many people know, is a bastard ofspring of the one of soviet light tank program that were aimed to replace PT-76. However these programs never succesfully ended, and the basic hull design was taken for BMP-3, and the BMP-3 do not have optimal design for infanry carrier. There is flat engine at the rear that enables dismounts to get outside, but still it is problematic and less comfortable than in design with engine at front. Not to mention about comfort inside, believe me, this tin can with such big turret with autoloader for 100mm gun, do not left much space inside.

    Neither hull is that good protected, I suspect it was designed to protect against M791 25mm APDS, but newer ammunition like M919 APFSDS will do a swiss cheese from it.
     
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    We should tell them thanks but we don't need it.
     
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    Most probably fake news.
     
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    I don't think it is a fake news,russian are known for it. May we can take it as pressure job,so that ruski had no free run.
     
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    what happen to FICV tender where Indian companies were competing with each other to make prototype ?
    May be Russian wants to impose their own product on us.
     
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    That's what they are doing. They are luring for trainer aircraft also.
     
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    With implied consent of kick backs and deep roots in IA. I am waiting for Ambani to get fully into defence. Those guys will make our Army love their product. Hope elder Ambani too jump in defence business. He once said that i dont play by Rules, i just change the rules of game.
     
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    What happened to Mahindra's they had a collabration with BAE and they were also interested in this tender.
     
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    How can you know that? No company here has ever created something similar and you are saying that they can produce something better?
    It would be better if a private company develops a IFV together with the Russians.
     
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    let say partly indegenious but designed for us..

    or is it just import + assembling in local brand name..
     
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    you have obviously no idea what you are talking of...

    How can you know that it is superb without knowing any specs? all we know or see is a plastic model of it. And you can not blame the Army for buying foreign stuff if our state run companies fail to deliver what the Army wants in time.
    And at the time we bought the BMP 2s, we simply did not have the capability to develop such a vehicle.
     
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