Discussion in 'Strategic Forces' started by plugwater, Jul 3, 2011.
A person was claiming it's not inducted yet, is he right?
It is not necessary that they have to announce everything. There is some amount of secrecy in missile deployments.
India to test fire Prahaar next week
BHUBANESWAR: Days after India cleared the hurdles for its entry into the elite Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is all set to go for a crucial test of surface-to-surface highly maneuverable tactical ballistic missile Prahaar.
Since Prahaar's export variant 'Pragati' is being readied for interested nations, a successful test would definitely pave the way for its early production. 'Pragati' was first displayed at a defence exhibition in South Korea in 2014 where many friendly foreign countries had shown interest to purchase it. The entry into MTCR would facilitate the process.
Defence sources said preparations are on in full swing at Chandipur-based defence test facility off the Odisha coast for the test next week. In fact, two rounds of test of the missile have been planned in two days.
"While the first one has been scheduled for June 14, the second one will be on June 16. The test window, however, is from June 14-17. If everything goes as per planned and weather favours, the missile will be test fired as per the schedule," said a defence official.
Prahaar, which can be comparable with ATACMS missile of the US, is a counter to Pakistan's 'Nasr'. Developed by DRDO with the support of Missile System and Quality Assurance Agency (MSQAA), the missile is small, lean and slim to achieve better and high maneuvering mid-air.
Its sophisticated inertial navigation and electro-mechanical actuation system give it an edge over other weapons in its class available elsewhere. It is developed to provide Indian Army a cost-effective, all-weather and all-terrain battle field support system.
The missile can be transported to anywhere within a short span of time and the canister-based launcher can be fitted with six missiles at once having different kind of warheads meant for different targets. It can be fired in salvo mode in all directions covering the entire azimuth plane.
It has short cycle time of reloading and making the missile ready for launch. In a gap of less than five seconds, the missile can be fired from same launcher in ripple firing mode. It has the capability of deployment in both stand-alone and canisterised mode. The missile's maiden test was conducted in July 21, 2011 and since than it was kept under wraps for obvious reasons.
Try to hit militry truck size target by this missile, that too on the move. This is our long range sniper missile.
Has that composite motor technology used in new AAD has gone into Prahar or not?
How can it hit a moving target? Can you explain please? Or simply Jingoism?
It can target fast moving RV.
BTW: developers were very tight lip about this when asked 4 years ago, all they said was it bridge the gap between prithvi and Agni missiles.
No it is a bridge between MBRL and Prithvi and not between Prithvi and Agni.
For that it need to have seeker and terminal maneuvers. Any detail?
Its missile that means it need some guidance to target. It will have some seeker.
To target a movable missile, you need to identify, track and chase the target which is not required in stationary target. What you need is to follow precise coordinates and little bit of terminal guidence for course correction. You need not chase the target. Here is where it differs from other S to S missiles.
INDIA To Test Fire Prahaar Missile next week
Any idea about Shaurya?A dampened trajectory Shaurya will be difficult to stop as well.But no tests since 2011 nor any news.
Shaurya , is somewhat like a secret wepone of India .
World has Very less confirmed news and knowledge about this wepone .
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I think rather than buying costly imported lumbering 100 Tracked K-9 SPG Howitzers for Rs. 5000 crores, we should purchase 5000 Prahaars. Each missile would be equivalent to 10-20 rounds of 155mm shells.
i was thinking this prahaar can be optimized to defeat nasr system (INDIRECT mode) or simply before launch.
prahaar can come with different types of warheads to neutralize the various support systems of the nasr rocket system.
for this warheads can of the following types
1.EMP warheads to take out vehicle (TEL) electronics, communication equipment , command and control , missile electronics like inertial navigation system etc related to nasr missile.
2.BUNKER BUSTING / earth penetrating warheads with 90 degree / top attack capability to take out storage sheds / bunkers / blast doors of underground pens hiding nasr missile.
3.PERSISTENT SMART SUB MUNITIONS warhead which will release smart sub munitions which will have the ability to stay afloat in the air (persistent) say for 15-20 minutes and will scan the target zone for targets , the sensor will read/scan the top cross section of the vehicles below to match it against a pre loaded database of all systems/vehicles used by nasr and its support elements. on confirmation it will home on for a loud KABOOM.
PRO ACTIVE APPROACH
say army has info that a particular base/ location has nasr missile system in it and it is getting activated
then 4-6 prahaar missile launchers can be tasked to take out the nasr or disable it INDIRECTLY/DIRECTLY before its launch.
first prahaar launcher launches 2-6 EMP warhead equipped missile one after the other to take out the vulnerable electronics based equipment's / system based at that location be it the nasr system itself or be it part of the supporting elements.
any TEL caught in the open will have its electronics disabled and the TEL itself immobilized thus cutting of its dispersion. depending on the power of the EMP generated the missile itself can get disabled.
second and third prahaar launcher launches its missile with bunker busting warhead to collapse the auxillary and main exit door sections of the underground bunkers or the bunker itself .
plus the bunker busting warhead produces large area damage which if position properly will limit dispersion of TELs and also limit re positioning of surviving TELs.
fifth and sixth prahaar launcher launches its missile with PERSISTENT SMART SUB MUNITIONS warhead at interval of 3-4 minutes to take care of surviving or unaccounted TELs and other support systems associated with nasr.
the sub munitions (4-6 of them) will persist in the air for 10-15 minutes (depends on R&D) scanning for priority targets .
2 prahaar launcher will launch 12 missiles,
each missile will carry say 6 sub munitions with afloat capability of say 15 minutes
so grand total 72 mini killer drones, 1/3 of them ie 26 mini killer drones will for a certain time period persistently swarm, search, locate and destroy TELs (active/disabled) and other support systems .
as i said the smart munitions will be preloaded with images / top cross sectional profiles etc of nasr TELs and related support equipment's so that any of the above in static or mobile state will be target-ted on priority basis.
does india have the capability or technology to think and design such warheads?
or is it my miniature version of tom clancy novel
what do u think?
Prahar can't be used in that place where howitzer can do miracles . Both are different systems for different purpose .
prahar cost a lot then a 155mm shell .
If you have to do shelling in enemy area to keep them head down you cant use prahar .
If enemy has interceptors , they can intercept prahar . But if they start intercepting 155mm shells , it will cost a lot for them and it is practically impossible .
And there are many more reasons to use howitzer over prahar .
If you have specified enemy / high value asset location (if they are moving or still) and you have to make some very loud sounds then you will use prahar .
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While Agni-1 was to be replaced by another ballistic missile Prahar (with a striking range of 150 km), the idea was rejected by users, fearing that such a short-range missile could trigger a nuclear war. The enemy might panic at the sight of a ballistic missile of a short-range and could launch a nuclear attack in retaliation.
However, while the missile has been rejected by the Army, it has attracted a few countries who are now approaching India to export them.
With the Agni series and cruise missile BrahMos, India can now take care of targets between 30 to 5,000 kms. The BrahMos can take down targets from 30 to 300kms while the Agni can take care of the ranges beyond that.
It seems that the whole idea is to kill off Prahaar which is 1/10th the cost of Brahmos and can damage the imports of this missile which is presently is disguised as (fake) JV.
We do have a member from Indian Army named @Bhadra who said the same, If we used the Prahaar TBM, Paki thinks its a tactical nuke and counter with Nuke missiles
We have a timmy army ,who shits in their pants and always talk about of good deed bla bal bla.
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