Pak commander blows the lid on Islamabad's Kargil plot

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  1. MMuthu

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    In the first account by a Pakistani military officer that nails Islamabad’s lie on Kargil, a former pilot who was Director of Operations of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) during the 1999 conflict has given a blow-by-blow account of the preparations undertaken by his country’s Army that led to operations inside the Indian side of the Line of Control.

    Published in India in the latest issue of the 'Vayu Aerospace and Defence Review' magazine, PAF Air Commodore (retd) Kaiser Tufail, the man who “interrogated” IAF Flight Lieutenant K Nachiketa after his MiG-27 crashed in PoK during a bombing run in the initial days of the war, has laid bare the detailed Kargil plan by the Pakistan Army. He says that the “Army trio” of General Pervez Musharraf, 10 Corps Commander Lt Gen Mehmud Ahmad and Force Command Northern Areas commander Maj Gen Javed Hasan “took no one into confidence, neither its operational commanders, nor the heads of the other services”.

    Tufail, a decorated fighter pilot who was in charge of air operations during the war, has revealed that the Pak Army placed Stinger shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles on hill tops, moved artillery guns and ammunitions to posts that India had vacated during winter and drew plans to cut off the strategic Drass-Kargil road to choke supplies to the Siachen glacier.

    Now based in Lahore, Tufail says the entire operation was planned by Musharraf but had the tacit approval of then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif who, after a presentation, said “‘General sahib, Bismillah karein’... not withstanding the denials we hear from him every new moon.”

    Recalling his meeting with top Army officers, including Lt Gen Mehmud Ahmad who was commanding the Rawalpindi Corps, Tufail writes that the Kargil plan was revealed on May 12, two weeks before India retaliated with air strikes, when Ahmad briefed him and others on the operation.

    “Come October, we shall walk in to Siachen — to mop up the dead bodies of hundreds of Indians left hungry, out in the cold,” Ahmad is quoted as having said during the briefing, adding that “I have Stingers on every peak” to counter the threat of Indian air strikes against Pakistani intruders.

    “The target was a vulnerable section of Drass-Kargil road, whose blocking would virtually cut off the crucial lifeline which carried the bulk of supplies needed for daily consumption as well as annual winter stocking in Leh-Siachen sector. He (Lt Gen Ahmad) was very hopeful that this stratagem could choke off the Indians in the vital sector for up to a month, after which monsoons would prevent vehicular movements and also suspend airlift by IAF,” Tufail writes on details of the briefing.

    Expressing surprise over the failure of Indian intelligence to detect Pakistani movements that led to the occupation of Indian Army posts on the heights of Kargil, Tufail says it was well known in Skardu, days before operations were launched, that “something big is imminent”.

    “Helicopter flying activity was feverishly high as Army Aviation Mi 17s were busy moving artillery guns and ammunition to the posts that had been vacated by the Indians during the winter season. Troops in battle gear were to be seen all over the city. Interestingly, Army messes were abuzz with war chatter amongst young officers. In retrospect, one wonders how Indian intelligence agencies failed to read any such signs many weeks before the operation unfolded,” Tufail writes.

    Bringing out the disagreement between the Pak Army and Air Force on the operations, Tufail writes that many senior PAF officers tried to explain to the Army that Indian air strikes would wipe out bunkers occupied by ground forces but these were dismissed by the Army after Lt General Ahmad said “troops were well camouflaged and concealed and that IAF pilots would not be able to pick out the posts from the air”.

    “Perhaps it was the incredulousness of the whole thing that led Air Commodore Abid Rao (Assistant Chief of Air Staff Operations) to famously quip, ‘After this operation, it’s going the be either a Court Martial or Martial Law’ as we walked out of the briefing room.”

    And for the first time, giving details of IAF success in bombing Pakistani positions during the war, Tufail writes that round the clock air attacks had made retention of posts by Pakistani infiltrators “untenable”.

    “The Mirage 2000s scored at least five successful laser guided bomb hits on forward dumping sites and posts. During the last days of operations which ended on 12 July, it was clear that delivery accuracy had improved considerably,” he writes.

    Contrary to the Indian view that he was shot down, Tufail claims that Flt Lt Nachiketa’s MiG-27 went down due to engine trouble “caused by gas ingestion during high altitude strafing.” He writes: “Flt Lt Nachiketa, who ejected and was apprehended, had a tete-a-tete with this writer during an interesting ‘interrogation’ session.”

    He conceded that the PAF had trouble maintaining air patrols in the region to deter Indian fighters as its F-16 mainstay was facing shortage of supply parts due to American sanctions. “After one week of CAPs (combat air patrols), the F-16 maintenance personnel indicated that war reserves were being eaten into and the activity had the be ‘rationalized’, an euphemism for discontinuing it altogether,” Tufail writes.

    According to him, F-16 was the only fighter available with Pakistan to counter India but it was decided to discontinue patrols in case its services were needed during a full-blown war. “Those not aware of the gravity of the F-16 operability problem under sanctions have complained of the lack of cooperation by the PAF,” he writes.
     
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    That PAF guy is going to be in some trouble.
    But he is only acknowledging what is an open secret about the Kargil war.
    Funny enough, his boss at that time Musharraff is now acknowledging links between ISI and Taliban.
     
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    The IAF virtually ruled the skies over Kargil.
    The US sanction against Pak apparently worked in our favour
     
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    No its not that the Pak had low war reserves. They were aggressively patrolling near the border. But then when one of the MiG 29s locked on to one of them with its BVR, it scared the Pakistanis and they stopped their F-16 patrols.
     
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    They didn't have any Chinese front line fighters back then.
    However they're getting Jf'-17now.Interesting to see how it'll work out
    Have they upgraded the F-16 with BVR capability?
     
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    The JF 17 is nothing but a clone of the MiG 21. Its only user is going to be Pakistan as its low cost and it intends it to buy it in numbers. Even China is not going to induct this fighter.

    The Pakistanis I dont believe still have BVR capability.
     
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    We have upgraded our Mig-21's to the BISON standard.It performs well against the F-16.
    I don't have any idea about the JF-17's how will they fare up?Do they have BVR capability
     
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    Dear 1.44 , according to Wikipedia they have plans to integrate PL-12 BVRAAM into JF-17 (FC-1) , but I think they did not do that till now.

    Besides Pakistan only Egypt have shown interest in JF-17 as well as PL-12.

    Link:

    PL-12 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Link of JF-17:

    JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Regards
     
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    From what I have read from an F-16 forum. It's a poor man's aircraft.

    It's going to have some BVR capability. One of the main reasons for buying it in numbers is to replace the old mirage and other junk aircraft that has piled up in their inventory.

    Some are saying in future, it will have a upgraded, higher thrust engine and AESA radars.
    After reading extensively about it on the net I felt that it is going to be used as a point defense aircraft.

    The Indian LCA will be a very good match for it.
     
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    JF-17 will be equipped to carry 4 BVRs.
     
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    the other thing I have heard is to equip JF-17 with thrust vectoring engines.

    The Pakistani's in their forums were like ," Ya, now we can take on SU-30 MKI and everything else on earth"
     
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    JF 17 with TV? Right. Then the IAF will think of doing the same to the Bisons and use it for another 50 years.
    People have to stop being illusional.
     
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    Won't they have the J-10B's in the near future? Those are for sure equipped with those PL-12's BVRAAM.
     
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    ROTFL:rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    I am tempted to go to such forums (or fora) and strongly support any such view:wink:

    I did come across a guy who seems to think that Sun Tzu's quotes are the way to go. I would support him even more.

    Taking this line further, we might even have some friendly country buy their fabuluous craft just to show how extremely awesome it is:wink:

    Coming back to the topic, I have seen this is several blogs and I am struck by the analytical nature of the prose. Few in the sub continent can keep rhetoric away from such a topic
     

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