New Sukhoi base to cover south India

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    New Sukhoi base to cover south India

    NEW DELHI: Even as the western and eastern fronts with Pakistan and China are bolstered with additional Sukhoi-30MKI squadrons, India has also kick-started plans to base its most lethal "air dominance'' fighter in south India to keep a "strategic eye'' over Indian Ocean.

    Defence minister A K Antony will inaugurate the new airbase at Thanjavur in Tamil Nadu on May 27, which will eventually house a Sukhoi squadron (16 to 18 jets) after the requisite "tech-flight hangers, avionic bays, labs, fuel dumps and other infrastructure'' comes up over the next few years.

    "Till then, IAF will keep sending regular fighter and transport aircraft detachments to Thanjavur since the runway and other facilities are in place there now. Long-range fighters (Sukhois have a cruising speed range of 3,200-km) operating from Thanjavur will be able to dominate the crucial Andaman and Nicobar archipelago as well as the Bay of Bengal,'' said a source.

    India has so far inducted over 170 of the 272 Sukhoi-30MKIs contracted from Russia in deals worth Rs 55,717 crore ($12.4 billion). Pune and Bareilly already have two Sukhoi squadrons each, while Tezpur, Chabua, Halwara and Jodhpur have a squadron each.

    Another squadron is coming up at Sirsa, with Tezpur, Chabua, Jodhpur and Halwara slated to get their second squadrons thereafter. "Thanjavur will get the last Sukhoi squadron by 2018,'' he said.

    The Sukhoi squadrons at Tezpur, Chabua and Bareilly are part of the larger "dissuasive deterrence'' being put in place against China. With eight operational airbases in Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR), China can rapidly deploy 21 fighter squadrons against India. China, incidentally, has even taken to conducting major exercises with its J-10, Sukhoi-27UBK and Sukhoi-30MKK fighters in the high-altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau in recent times.

    The Sukhoi squadrons in Halwara, Sirsa and Jodhpur are meant to counter any misadventure by Pakistan, which is rapidly bolstering its air combat capabilities with American F-16s as well as Chinese JF-17 'Thunder' and F-7 fighters.

    IAF would like more fighter squadrons since it is down to just 34 at present, with ageing MiG jets being progressively retired. "Airpower plays the pivotal role in shaping modern battles," an officer said.

    To achieve the aim of operating 44 to 45 squadrons over the coming decade, IAF is banking upon the early inking of the $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project to acquire 126 French Rafale fighters.

    The first 18 jets under the MMRCA project will come in "fly-away condition'' from 2017 onwards, with the rest 108 fighters being manufactured under licence by Hindustan Aeronautics. After being derailed for some months due to differences between HAL and French aviation major Dassault, the complex final negotiations in the MMRCA project are back on track now.

    New Sukhoi base to cover south India - The Times of India

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    Strategic vision finally dawns a wee bit!
     
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    SajeevJino Long walk Elite Member

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    Why they need Air Dominance fighters in sea Shores.. we have Vikarmaditya and IAC 1 Holding some Air Superiority fighters like MiG 29K ..So placing some ASW and Anti Ship Missile Carrying Planes like P8i or IL 38 is Good move
     
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    Air Superiority, Air Supremacy, Air Dominance? [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums

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    Air Superiority, Air Supremacy, Air Dominance? [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums

    Interesting to say the least.

    If it is temporary dominance, then what is Combat Air Patrol?

    The manner in which these new nomenclatures are coined, it become real difficult to understand what exactly they stand for. In fact, it is more for selling merchandise or acting wise.

    What is counter insurgency, COIN, asymmetric warfare, sub conventional warfare, counter terrorist warfare?

    Where does the difference lie?

    I would be very obliged to know the differences of the issue mentioned - one on the air warfare and the other on counter insurgency.
     
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    once the naval air arm comes to its full strength i don't think IAF has much to contribute in southern India just base a squadron of tejas in thanjavur and Su 30 mki at Andaman which will be complemented by mig 29k's from IAC1 or vikramaditiya P8I's then IAF can completely concentrate Pakistan and Chinese
     
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    what will we do if situation requires to bomb Srilanka (hope there wont be such situation in near future but cant predict international politics :rolleyes:)??? we can finish of bombing with MKI's with one or two air refuels.
     
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    Hey, no one is answering my query.
     
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    sir , form my understanding both air superiority and supremacy are some how not only related to air to air battles but also to support land and naval forces so that they can penetrate to enemy space. probably air dominance is the first step to achieve air superiority. for example in our case we use MKI's with some supporting aircrafts first to cleanup the enemy air space (dominance). then we ask land forces to move forward and provide support to land forces in a way where enemy air force really cant attack us ( in one sense continue air dominance along with supporting ground forces) and will be pushed back further in an attempt to defend their air space. air supremacy is a state where we complete demolish enemies air-force and land forces in such way that they wont be able to recover and fight back.
     
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    Thanks.

    Why I asked is because I wonder if it is ever feasible to have complete domination of the air, except for a limited intervals having put a huge air assets in action, to achieve that.

    Even so, sneak enemy aircraft can still penetrate.

    So, would it be air superiority and not total dominance?

    I have always wanted to know of issues in clear terms so that I can understand. But these days, there is a barrage of terminology bandied, thanks to the American penchant to reinvent the wheel and appear innovative.

    Take RMA (Revolution in Military Affairs). I find it amusing that to appear fancy any and everything is being claimed as RMA.

    It has to be a revolution that affect a dramatic change in the application of warfare and not a merely added innovation.
     
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    santosh first you don't need to refuel a mki to bomb srilanka once fueled MKI has the range to do the job, second any ship in the eastern naval command can do that heck a jaguar jet can finish the job decently or a prithvi missile, and Indian Navies mig 29k's has the power to do that job as well
     
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    I think it is more than SL that these aircraft are being based there.
     
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    Guys I think you Forget our Coast Guard ..They are enough to face Sri Lanka
     
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    So MMRCA planes would start coming in 2017 and the deal is still not finalized :dude:

    Seems like the deal is gonna be air-borne :lol:
     
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    It was previously reported that Sukhoi will be placed in Sulur in 2016 and will later move to Tanjavur.

    Have they scrapped the plan?
    Will Tanjavur directly induct Su-30 in 2018?

    Sukhoi-30 MKI aircraft for Sulur IAF station by 2016 - The Hindu
     
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    sir , an example might be good in this case. take the case of US-Iraq war. first phase is to dominate Iraqi airspace with sufficient number to shoot down all iraqi aircrafts. this is an air to air battle where fighters fight first and (probably role of MKI's in our case). completion of phase one gives US air superiority. then with that they will attack enemy bunkers , ground forces, do some corpet bombing stuff ,bla bla bla to make sure that US land forces can easily occupy the land. end of this will give supremacy as nothing can stop US airforce as enemy airforce and land forces are down. now Us aircrafts can fly like free birds in enemy airspace. please correct me if i am wrong sir.
     
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    Two reasons :

    1. SU-30MKI are also act as mini AWACS, They can establish connection with other fighter such as Tejas and Bisons in the same areas and coordinate them..

    2. They cover entire Bay of Bengal and any incursion via spy boat or enemy vessel can be intercepted faster compare to a destroyer..


     
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    You are right.

    One could also compare the IAF supremacy over East Pakistan in 1971.

    But one is talking about equal air forces.
     
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    New Sukhoi base to cover south India
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