Muslims in Western Nations

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The irony is, These countries prefer illiterate and radical nationalities like Pakistanis and Bangaldeshi but will screen the well qualified Indian professionals there, and club them with these morons.

Well as they sow, so they reap.
@Ray

Bangladeshi man sentenced to 30 years for New York Fed bomb plot

Bangladeshi Quazi Ahsanullah displays a photograph of his son Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis as he weeps in his home in the Jatrabari neighborhood in north Dhaka, Bangladesh, in October 2012.

A judge sentenced a Bangladeshi man to 30 years in prison on Friday after he admitted that he intended to use a bomb in what U.S. authorities called a plot to blow up the New York Federal Reserve Bank.

Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 22, who had pleaded guilty to the government's charge of "attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction" and faced life in prison, told the judge he now rejects radical Islam and apologized to the people of New York and the United States. Prosecutors had said Nafis had claimed on social media sites to have contacts with al Qaeda.

"I'm ashamed, I'm lost, I tried to do a terrible thing," said Nafis, who was arrested in October 2012 while trying to detonate what he believed to be a 1,000-pound bomb hidden in a van.

Instead, the van carried inert materials planted by an undercover FBI agent as part of a sting operation. Prosecutors said Nafis attempted to use a mobile phone to detonate the bogus device. :coffee:

Before handing down the sentence, Judge Carol Amon in U.S. District Court in Brooklyn said it was clear Nafis intended to go through with the plot in lower Manhattan.

"He continually dialed the cell phone number that he thought would explode the device," the judge said. Still, she said she was "prepared to accept that the remorse he had expressed is genuine."

Had Nafis been able to accomplish what he had set out to do, prosecutor James Loonam said, it would have been "a Boston Marathon style terrorist attack." In April, home-made bombs killed three people and injured 264 others near the marathon finish line.

Loonam asked the judge to punish Nafis within the federal sentencing guidelines of 30 years to life in prison.

The defense asked for a more lenient sentence of 20 years for Nafis, who wore khaki prison overalls and handcuffs.

He had a strict, isolated upbringing and his upper middle class parents sometimes beat him for failing to focus enough on his studies, once so severely he temporarily went mute when he was 6 years old, said his court-appointed defense lawyer Heidi Cesare. As a university student in Dhaka, Bangladesh, he got his first taste of freedom and became radicalized by other students, she said.

According to a criminal complaint unsealed in October, Nafis entered the United States in 2012 with a student visa, and eventually traveled to the New York City borough of Queens.

It said he scouted targets for a potential attack, including the New York Stock Exchange and President Barack Obama, settling eventually on the Federal Reserve Bank in Manhattan.

Nafis attempted to recruit others to his plot, and discussed his plans over social media sites such as Facebook, the complaint said. He claimed he was in contact with al Qaeda operatives overseas and actively sought out new al Qaeda connections in the United States, the complaint said. :tsk:

One of the individuals he brought on board was an undercover agent working for the FBI, who monitored Nafis' activities and helped arm him with the inoperable explosives, federal authorities said. :coffee:


Bangladeshi man sentenced to 30 years for New York Fed bomb plot - U.S. News

as now we finding people of Pakistan and Bangladesh more willing to visit India, the news like as below would also have a place here, i think :facepalm:
Police reportedly have arrested five suspects in Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city, for planning an attack at the home of a National Assembly member, using a suicide bomber-for-hire and explosives expert that they hired for just $15,000.

nydailynews.com/news/world/suicide-bomber-sale-pakistan-investigation-reveals-article-1.355774
A Pakistani official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named because of the sensitive nature of the topic, said the going price for child bombers was $7,000 to $14,000 - huge sums in Pakistan, where per-capita income is about $2,600 a year.0

washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/02/taliban-buying-children-to-serve-as-suicide-bomber/#ixzz3AiP69H6k
 
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Its going to happen, people are going to die. In the scheme of thing Muslims are going to suffer much more, America loses a few thousand to terrorist over the years, people die in war and in the mean time we kill, maim, and decimate the economy and cultures of Islamic countries. While a few americans suffer, tens of million of Moslems will suffer much more, proverty, lack of education, economy, health care, lack of freedom, if they escalate to mass destruction we escalate to MAD total war and extermination. Remembe Hiroshima and Nagasakir

O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,
That I am meek and gentle with these butchers!
Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
That ever lived in the tide of times.
Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood!
Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,--
Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips,
To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue--
A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;
Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial. (3.1.254-275)
William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar:
@Ray @jouni

i would support your this statement, the simple meaning of Muslim community, "poverty, lack of education, economy, health care, lack of freedom, if they escalate to mass destruction we escalate to MAD total war and extermination. " :facepalm:

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Suicide bomber available for sale in Pakistan, investigation reveals

It turns out there is a cost to human life after all, and in one case in Pakistan, it was $600.

Police reportedly have arrested five suspects in Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city, for planning an attack at the home of a National Assembly member, using a suicide bomber-for-hire and explosives expert that they hired for just $15,000. :facepalm:

At the time of the Aug. 6 bombing, the attack was blamed on military action against Islamic militants in northwest Pakistan, as it came amidst a rash of attacks on political leaders and government officials. A police investigation, however, found that the attack at the home of Rashid Akbar Niwani, which killed 26 people.

Police said two of the suspects, Waqas Hussain and his father, Dr. Nazar Hussain, hired the bomber to kill Ejaz Hussain, to whom Waqas allegedly owed money, the Pakistan daily newspaper Dawn reported on Wednesday.

Waqas Hussain had reportedly borrowed the cash from Ejaz to start a used-car dealership, but failed to get his business going. He attempted to repay his creditor with seven vehicles, but according to police, Ejaz demanded another 5.4 million rupees ($68,658.61) in addition.

Niwani had attempted to mediate the dispute, and a second meeting was between the two parties was scheduled on August 6. Several days earlier, however, Waqas and his father allegedly hired a mercenary Jaan Muhammad Wazeer to put a hit on Ejaz Hussain.

After confirming that Ejaz was at Niwani's house, Jaan brought the suicide bomber there, where he succeeded in killing his target - along with 25 bystanders. Niwani managed to escape.

The final price tag for the carnage was 1.2 million rupees ($15,257.47), or just $600 per victim.

nydailynews.com/news/world/suicide-bomber-sale-pakistan-investigation-reveals-article-1.355774
 

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@Ray @jouni


Where Are Pro-Islamic State Tweets Coming From?

Read the Top 10 List — and Prepare to Be Shocked by No. 4 and No. 10.

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Number 1 also is shocking
and 5, 6, 7; 10 are problematic. 6 is for a small country.
and i find your this post shocking :tsk:

who this ISIS are, and what they trying to achieve as whole, which Saudi Arabia doesn't try by hefty funds to promote Sunni Islam in other countries? ISIS is nothing but a naughty son of Saudi Arabia itself, which to promote Sunni Islam in rest world, anyhow....

just to give more information, we know only the Saudi A., UAE, and Pakistan having "Diplomatic relation" with Taliban until 9/11 2001 attack. and its just because they have fundamental religious similarity with Taliban, and ISIS is nothing but a new face of growing Islamic Threat in world .... even if India maintained bit better relation with Shia majority countries like Iraq, Iran, Syria etc, then its not just because it maintained rivalry with Sunni majority Pakistan+Bangladesh, but mainly because Sunni Islam is a serious challenge on all those part of world who aren't Muslim...

not required but, even in Australia, this is how Saudi's fund is used to convert the Aborigines there, as below :facepalm:
youtube.com/watch?v=oEhcc-bAvWM
 

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Number 1 also is shocking
and 5, 6, 7; 10 are problematic. 6 is for a small country.

Pakistan's Sectarian Wars
26 Nov 2012

In the days leading up to the religious holiday of Ashura, leading members of the Pakistani Shia community in Pakistan received anonymous text messages warning of violence to come: "Kill, Kill, Shia".

In recent years, Ashura - which not long ago throughout the country was an occasion which Sunnis, Shias and others among Pakistan's ethno-religious milieu would commemorate together in harmony - has become an annual flashpoint in Pakistan's increasingly sectarian and violent religious culture.

Tragically, and despite high-profile efforts by the government to clamp down on the ability to militants to target worshippers such as the limitating cellphone service and banning of motorcycles from public roads during the holiday, this year's Ashura in Pakistan signified a continuation of the country's spiral into self-destructive communal violence.

A suicide bomber in the city of Rawalpindi hurled a grenade into the midst of a Shia procession before detonating his vest and killing 23 people, while other attacks throughout the country from Karachi to Dera Ismail Khan claimed the lives of dozens more.

The attacks were claimed by Pakistani Taliban (TTP) militants who denounced the victims as "blasphemers" and stated they were engaged in a "war of belief" with Shias - stating further that attacks against them would continue until they, in their millions, were wiped out of the country.

That the fanatical nihilism of terrorist attacks against public religious ceremonies - ceremonies which have been observed since the country's founding - has become normalised and routine is a sign of the depths to which Pakistan has sunk in terms of sectarianism and social fragmentation over the past decade.

Once a respected and well-integrated minority in a country where they comprise roughly 20 per cent of the population and count the nation's founder as one of their own, Shia Muslims within Pakistan have become a community under siege in recent years and are facing a situation which is increasingly being described by many Pakistanis as a slow-motion genocide. :coffee:

Several hundred Pakistani Shias have been killed this year alone in increasingly high-profile attacks by extremist militants, including one incident caught on video in August in which passengers were forced off a bus in the Gilgit region and executed by armed militants who checked their victims' ID cards before killing whomsoever they could identify as being Shia.

It is believed that since the early 1990s, nearly 4,000 Pakistani Shias have been murdered in sectarian attacks, and at a pace which has rapidly accelerated in recent years. The tragic irony of this increasingly violent sectarianism is that Muhammad Ali Jinnah, widely known and revered as the "Father of the Nation" of Pakistan was himself a Shia Muslim though he maintained a secular public religious identity and preached the same for the country which he created. :facepalm:

His famous speech to Pakistanis in which he said: "You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed"¦", signifies how far modern-Pakistan has departed from its founding ideals and become a place where the country's founder himself would likely be threatened and unwelcome.

Ahmadis, Barelvis, Christians and Hindus have all become subject to persecution within an increasingly religiously-chauvinistic Pakistani society, but it is Shias who have suffered the highest toll of bloodshed and whose fate is most tied to external forces intent on using Pakistan as a battleground for broader regional conflicts. :ranger:

Pakistan as sectarian battleground

In an interview given to Reuters, Malik Ishaq, the leader of one of Pakistan's most notorious anti-Shia extremist groups Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) declared Shia Muslims "the greatest infidels on earth" and demanded that the Pakistani state "declare Shia non-Muslims on the basis of their beliefs".

Ishaq's demagoguery is not idle talk, LeJ death squads are believed to have been responsible for the killings of thousands of Shias throughout the country, including a campaign of targeted murders in 2011 which killed dozens of Shia doctors, lawyers and politicians residing in the major port-city of Karachi.

One lower-level LeJ operative now in police custody, Mahmoud Baber, reportedly choked with pride and emotion while describing to reporters his "great satisfaction" at being involved in 14 murders over his militant career, saying of the organisations purpose: "Get rid of Shias. That is our goal. May God help us".

Despite his unrepentant advocacy and propagation of violence, Ishaq himself has been acquitted over 30 times on homicide and terrorism charges - an incredible run of judicial fortune which many have attributed to covert support from elements within Pakistan's national security establishment which have long cultivated such groups as potential weapons against regional rival such as India.

Indeed, while organisations like the LeJ, Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba and offshoots such as the Sipah-e-Sahaba (SSP) focus their violence on Pakistani Shias, they are representative of a broader regional narrative to which the Shia community is largely a victim of geopolitical circumstance and manipulation by external parties.

Pakistan has long been a front in the battle for regional influence between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the patronage of violent extremist groups primarily by the latter has been utilised as a tool to counter potential Iranian influence within the country.

The Pakistani Shia population, as well as the Pakistan's social cohesion as a whole, have been the collateral damage in this battle as wealthy Gulf donors have armed and funded sectarian death squads to wreak havoc against Pakistani Shias and other religious minorities within the country.

WikiLeaks cables released in 2009 described the extent of which this support has been facilitated: "Donors in Saudi Arabia as the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide"¦ for groups aligned with Al-Qaida and focused on undermining stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan".

The leaked report describes in detail the extent to which wealthy, conservative Gulf donors have sought to use Pakistan as a battlefront for their war against Iran - a war in which they see all Shias across the world as being legitimate targets for violence.

An estimated $100m per year has flowed from donors from the Gulf to fund extremist groups in Pakistan and spread sectarian ideology - a massive sum especially for a developing country such as Pakistan and one which has been increasingly successful in subverting the heterodox and tolerant Islamic tradition which has historically been prevalent in the subcontinent.

Children in particular, often pliable candidates for suicide bombings, have been specifically recruited for indoctrination with those "between the ages of 8 to 12" and whose families are "suffering extreme financial difficulties" being the most favoured targets of recruitment by sectarian extremist groups. :facepalm:

Extremist religious sentiments

While Shia militant groups such as Sipah-e-Muhammad also do exist, these are widely considered by analysts to be marginal and largely reactionary - the Shia community has overwhelmingly been the recipient of violence as opposed to its purveyor and has become the target of external parties using Pakistan as a field upon which to settle regional scores, as well as seeking to give violent expression to their own extremist religious sentiments.

As described in an editorial by the Karachi-based Express Tribune: "A fact recognised by all in Pakistan is that the people of the country are not sectarian-minded. Before jihad took hold of Pakistan and extremist clerics became threatening, there was considerable harmony between the sects. Muharram was not the season of sectarian violence and mayhem. Today, the world understands that the intensification of the sectarian feeling among the clerics is actually a result of a war relocated from Pakistan's neighbourhood in the Gulf."

Tragically, it has become Pakistani Shias, a community which has little if anything to do with the increasingly heated conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia, that has today become among its biggest victims of that escalating conflict.

There is growing realisation within Pakistan that the cynical manipulation of the country by regional actors is leading to a potential existential crisis for the state. Shias make up a large percentage of the country's population of 180 million and account for a significant proportion of the professional class which is vital to the nation's continued viability.

In recent months, high-profile religious leaders from across the country convened in the capital of Islamabad for a conference intended to promote intra-communal unity and "put the genie of sectarianism back in the bottle", while secular political leaders have also made forceful denunciations of the increasingly violent sectarian chauvinism within the country.

Despite these encouraging pronouncements, the horrifying scenes of murder which played out on Pakistani streets during this year's Ashura commemorations are a stark reminder of how deeply embedded violently extremist religious attitudes have become within segments of Pakistani society in recent years.

Many analysts have warned that Pakistani Shias increasingly face "sectarian cleansing" from the country if violence against them continues to accelerate, a fate which would be a tragic end to a community which for most of the Pakistan's history has lived in communal harmony with majority Sunnis and others within Pakistan's once-inclusive ethnic and religious tapestry.

If the measure of a society is how it treats its minorities, the slow-motion genocide being perpetrated against the Shia community in Pakistan is indicative of a country which has acquiesced to being devoured from the inside-out and which has sacrificed for itself any vision of a tolerant and progressive future.

Opportunistic Gulf ideologues have turned Pakistan into a charnel-house in pursuit of their own sectarian and political agendas; until Pakistanis forcefully reject the purpose towards which their country is being cynically utilised, the downward spiral of communal violence will proceed and the fate of Pakistan's Shia community will continue to be marked by increasingly wanton massacres and bloodshed.

Where Sunnis and Shias within Pakistan once commemorated their holidays together in relative harmony, there has grown an increasingly stark divide - unless it is bridged and unless imported extremist ideologies are stifled, the future of Pakistan as a unified and cohesive state will continue to be threatened.

Pakistan's Shia genocide - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/11/201211269131968565.html
 

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There is a religious war between Shiites and Sunnis. And Americans, who understand nothing, objectively have favored the Shiites, especially in Iraq, while being allied with the Sunni Saudi Arabia and sanctioning Shiite Iran.:facepalm:

Supporting Small Religious Groups

sir, i have no or limited knowledge about Persian history and its conflicts in EU, if any. but im discussing the issue, which bring Saudi A., UAE, Pakistan type countries on the fundamental similarity with Taliban, the only 3 diplomatic allies of Taliban till 9/11 2011....

and this issue is all about the religious similarity, why we find ISIS just a naughty son of Saudi A., having existence for the same purpose, to promote Islam in world...

i clear it in bit more straight way. have you heard Shia Islam promoting/funding Islam in India/Australia, no, i haven't heard about it. neither Orthodox Christianity, or Chinese Dong religion, nor even any aggression on the side of Buddhism we see, nor you would find Hindu-Sikh promoting religion in other parts of world. but when we talk about the Sunni Islam in particular, its then bring all the Gulf together on a single platform.

i mean, just have a look on the recent Syria War against the Shia rule there, you then find all the Turkey, Saudi etc all around it, 'funding' and 'arming' Al Qaeda during the 2012-13,......

we generally ignore the small religious groups, whether its Shia Islam, Buddhism, Hindus, Orthodox Christianity, Sikh etc, for example, but even if you talk about Catholic Christianity, we find it does have the issue of conversion in many parts of world.....

its not about favoring Shia against the Sunnis, certainly not, but its more about the threat of Sunni Islam from Saudi Arabi to Turkey, to Pakistan on the western side of India which is then proceeded with Bangladesh on the Eastern Side of India too..... its more about keeping those few, who may help us against this growing Terrorism of Sunni Islamic countries, who are always found to be funding/promoting Al Qaeda type terrorist groups.

our support for the small religious group countries, is totally of defensive nature :coffee:
 
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There is a religious war between Shiites and Sunnis. And Americans, who understand nothing, objectively have favored the Shiites, especially in Iraq, while being allied with the Sunni Saudi Arabia and sanctioning Shiite Iran.:facepalm:
@averageamerican


sir, when you say that US is an ally of Saudi, UAE type countries, its more meant for us like as below: :tsk:

US and Saudi+UAE allies means for this, as below :wave:

canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/alqaeda-now-a-us-ally-in-syria-20120910-25oby.html

Al-Qaeda now a US ally in Syria

While we reflect on the 11th anniversary of the al Qaeda attacks on American soil, there is a blinding light that may obscure our view: this sworn enemy now fights hand in hand with the US against the Syrian regime.

The historic State of the Union address by US president George W. Bush on September 20, 2001 is loaded with morals and principles about good and evil.

The president's ultimatum was clear: either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.

In Syria, there is mounting evidence that Al Qaeda and its allies are actively deploying terror tactics and suicide bombers to overthrow the Assad regime.

canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/alqaeda-now-a-us-ally-in-syria-20120910-25oby.html
 
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here, i think the posts as below may also have a place here
Rise of al-Qaeda backfired on the United States, Putin says

President Vladimir Putin spoke frankly about the quandary the U.S. finds itself in Syria. Responding to a specific question about the controversial policy of some Western nations for their sponsorship of terrorism and certain terrorist groups in Syria, Putin had this to say:

"You know when someone aspires to attain an end they see as optimal any means will do. As a rule they will try and do that by hook or by crook and hardly even think of the consequences. That was the case during the war in Afghanistan , when the Soviet Union invaded in 1979. At that time our present partners supported a rebel movement there and it basically gave rise to al-Qaeda – which later back fired on the United States itself", he said (see video link in article: Putin Suggests West Uses Al Qaeda to Bring Down Assad Putin Suggests West Uses Al Qaeda to Bring Down Assad | Atlantic Sentinel ).

Applying that same example to the current situation in Syria Putin said: "Today someone want to use militants from al-Qaeda or some other organization with equally radical views to accomplish their goals in Syria. This policy is dangerous and very short sighted. In that case, one should unlock Guantanamo, arm all the inmates and bring them to Syria to do the fighting. They are practically the same kind of people. But what we should bear in mind is that one day these people will get back at their former captors. On the other hand, these same people should bear in mind that they would eventually end up in a new prison, very much like the ones off the Cuban shore."

The Guantanamo Bay detention camp is a controversial detainment and interrogation facility of the United States military located within Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba.

the interview ended with Putin warning those nations that support al-Qaeda of "dire consequences" for their short sighted policy in this regard.

Russian president Vladimir Putin speaking on RT television, September 6, 2012.

Rise of al-Qaeda backfired on the United States, Putin says - Wichita Military Affairs | Examiner.com

US position on Syria directly endorses terrorism - Lavrov

Washington's reaction to blasts in Damascus is a downright justification of terrorism, slams Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. US State Department announced that terror acts in Syria are not surprising in light of the Assad regime's actions.

"This is direct endorsement of terrorism. How are we supposed to understand that?" Sergey Lavrov shared his astonishment at a press conference in Moscow. "This is a sinister position, I cannot find words to express our attitude towards that."

Lavrov also expressed his surprise that the UN Security Council refused to condemn acts of terror in Syria. The US permanent representative to the UN Susan Rice has stated that terror acts in Damascus contribute to speeding up the adoption of a resolution on Syria according to the Chapter 7 of the UN Statute, which implies harsh sanctions, including resorting to force.

"In other words this means 'We are going to support such acts of terrorism until the UNSC does what we want'," Lavrov commented on the US representative's actions.
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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said recently that there should be closer work with opposition in Syria as it captures more and more territories to prepare new actions of resistance to the government in Damascus.

Lavrov noted that there were reports that the opposition has taken control over border posts on the Iraqi and Turkish border with Syria and reportedly, there were cases of looting of Turkish property. According to some sources it was not Free Syrian Army militants that captured those posts, but by groups linked to Al-Qaeda, and Russian diplomats are verifying this information.

"If such actions of taking territories by terrorists are supported by our partners, we would like to ask them what their position on Syria is. What do they want to achieve in this country?" Russian FM demanded.

As for the EU unilateral sanctions against Damascus, they contradict the decisions taken by the UN Security Council and agreements reached at the Geneva talks, stated Lavrov.

"We believe the chosen unilateral way contradicts the principal of shared management of affairs accorded with the Geneva agreement," Lavrov said, adding that Russia advocates collective discussion of any questions.

"Unfortunately, when the EU, US and some other states began to adopt sanctions on Syria they did not consult with us at all," Lavrov observed.

Now that the Syrian crisis is over a year and a half old it is not exactly correct to appeal to the Security Council to adopt sanctions, shared the Russian diplomat.

Lavrov stressed that should the international community intended to address the Syrian crisis collectively – it should have been done that way from the very beginning, dealing with both combatant sides equally.

The heads of the EU foreign ministries have made a decision to broaden the list of Syrian officials banned from EU, also freezing their bank accounts and assets in EU countries.

Additional measures have also been adopted to ensure arms embargo on Syria. Henceforth, sea vessels and cargo aircraft heading for Syria are subject to compulsory inspection in case there are grounds to suspect they carry arms and prohibited equipment to Syria.

[rt.com/news/us-position-syria-terror-lavrov-006/]US position on Syria directly endorses terrorism - Lavrov — RT[/url]
 

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@Ray @jouni

and worth mentioning the news as below too, and this is the type of 'private' talks US has with allies. this is what the US/UK achieved while being an ally with these Islamic Fanatic Countries :tsk:
the difference between those terrorists who work for them, and those who are against them.....
I became Secretary of State, they were trying to basically appease the Pakistani Taliban who were attacking them. So they were trying to draw a distinction between the good terrorists and the bad terrorists, because we had funded the "good terrorists" together. :ranger:

Referring to the support US provided to these insurgent groups during the fight against the Russians in Afghanistan, Clinton said when she meets Pakistani officials, they rightly say, "You're the ones who told us to cooperate with these people. You're the ones who funded them. :facepalm:

Pak making error by supporting terror groups against India: US : Americas, News - India Today

//indiatoday.intoday.in/story/pak-making-error-by-supporting-terror-groups-against-india-us/1/153324.html
 
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50 Million Muslims In Europe, 80% Are Beggars and Criminals Living on Western Welfare

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced.
bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM%20-poverty-report.pdf
 
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Norway deports record number of Muslims, crime rate drops dramatically

According to The Local, a record number of immigrants, namely Muslims, have been deported from Norway, beginning last year. With the deportation comes a dramatic decrease in crime, much to the delight of overwhelmed law enforcement.

Around 5,198 foreign citizens were expelled from Norway in 2013
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the above news looks funny but its closed to ground reality of EU as whole, in fact.....

sir, i remember Norwegian tragedy, when a man killed so many on road because he wanted to unite people against the Muslims, was mainly influenced by there Pakistanis living there..... hows things on ground there now? :ranger:


Norwegian tragedy, Pakistani worries
By Imtiaz Gul, July 26, 2011

Anders Behring Breivik was driven by a paranoia of Muslims, and of Pakistanis in particular. Of all the nations, he singled out Pakistan as responsible for the future problems of Europe.

Most would run down Breivik as a sick young man, nurturing hatred and bias. But rejecting Breivik's "Manifesto 2083" – a projection of Europe in slightly over 70 years from now, hardly serves those dismissive of the Norwegian who plunged the country into a state of mourning after gunning down some 68 youngsters attending a summer camp.

Of all Muslim societies, Pakistan seized Breivik's imagination as a country typical for "denial of justice, intrusive religiousity and denial of rights to non-Muslims." This must be a matter of introspection. In essence, Pakistan, for him, represents an embodiment of contradictions and denials, injustice, misgovernance and disorder which, in the long run, he fears would go on to galvanise other countries across the Indian Ocean and the Atlantic. :ranger:

Breivik's knowledge of Pakistan and Pakistan-origin Norwegians is based on his personal experiences, and extensive study of writings of people like Allama Muhammad Iqbal and Maulana Abul Ala Maududi, as well as prominent human rights activist Hina Jilani and Dawn columnist Irfan Hussain. (a front-line Pakistani newspaper) :ranger:

The image that Pakistani, Turk or Algerian Muslims have created for themselves is nothing new but people in Europe have started viewing them as inflexible members of the societies which are feeding them. For these Muslims, European values don't matter.

Breivik's childhood best friend, a Pakistani Muslim immigrant to Norway, comes across as someone who despite having lived several years in Europe still resented Norwegian society because it "represented the exact opposite of Islamic ways." :ranger:

Through close ties with Muslim families, Breivik must have also observed the paradoxes that most Pakistanis, Arabs and Turks live in: treating sons different from the way they treat their daughters.

The refusal of Muslim immigrants to assimilate into European society also seems to drive Breivik's fears. Much of this is rooted in the conservative backgrounds that many Pakistani immigrants come from. It also results in a ghettoized style of living.

Last year, I met a young Pakistani driver in Washington. His father had migrated to the USA. The young man was born in the US but still found American ingredients of a breakfast – bread, cheese, coffee, marmalade – "not for us." He loved paratha and lassi or black tea. The family lives together in a big house – with the women busy serving the rest. Their lives hardly vary from their relatives back home. :coffee:

Based on personal experience, one can say most Pakistanis and Turks start having nightmares when their daughters reach adolescence – the fear of their girls dating drives such parents crazy, and they start thinking of how to preempt that eventuality.

As far back as in the mid 1980s, when one visited Scandinavia for the first time, one could see how many people from Pakistan – all of them practicing Muslims, were milking the social security system.

They do this even today.

Very recently, a friend based in Paris was blacklisted for abuse of laws that bestow certain privileges to parents of immigrants settled in France. It was a painful story to hear. There are countless such stories across Europe. :tsk:

As a whole, the picture that emerges from the lives of a majority of Pakistani immigrants is dismal. They refuse to integrate. These conditions have shaped Breivik's thesis on Pakistan. One is neither buying this thesis nor suggesting it is the ultimate truth. Our Pakistani brothers and sisters, however, must reflect as to why he arrived at such conclusions. :ranger:

Published in The Express Tribune, July 26th, 2011.

//tribune.com.pk/story/217554/analysis-norwegian-tragedy-pakistani-worries/
 
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The irony is, These countries prefer illiterate and radical nationalities like Pakistanis and Bangaldeshi but will screen the well qualified Indian professionals there, and club them with these morons.

Well as they sow, so they reap.
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Bangladeshi man sentenced to 30 years for New York Fed bomb plot

Bangladeshi Quazi Ahsanullah displays a photograph of his son Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis as he weeps in his home in the Jatrabari neighborhood in north Dhaka, Bangladesh, in October 2012.

A judge sentenced a Bangladeshi man to 30 years in prison on Friday after he admitted that he intended to use a bomb in what U.S. authorities called a plot to blow up the New York Federal Reserve Bank.

Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 22, who had pleaded guilty to the government's charge of "attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction" and faced life in prison, told the judge he now rejects radical Islam and apologized to the people of New York and the United States. Prosecutors had said Nafis had claimed on social media sites to have contacts with al Qaeda.

"I'm ashamed, I'm lost, I tried to do a terrible thing," said Nafis, who was arrested in October 2012 while trying to detonate what he believed to be a 1,000-pound bomb hidden in a van.

Instead, the van carried inert materials planted by an undercover FBI agent as part of a sting operation. Prosecutors said Nafis attempted to use a mobile phone to detonate the bogus device. :coffee:

Before handing down the sentence, Judge Carol Amon in U.S. District Court in Brooklyn said it was clear Nafis intended to go through with the plot in lower Manhattan.

"He continually dialed the cell phone number that he thought would explode the device," the judge said. Still, she said she was "prepared to accept that the remorse he had expressed is genuine."

Had Nafis been able to accomplish what he had set out to do, prosecutor James Loonam said, it would have been "a Boston Marathon style terrorist attack." In April, home-made bombs killed three people and injured 264 others near the marathon finish line.

Loonam asked the judge to punish Nafis within the federal sentencing guidelines of 30 years to life in prison.

The defense asked for a more lenient sentence of 20 years for Nafis, who wore khaki prison overalls and handcuffs.

He had a strict, isolated upbringing and his upper middle class parents sometimes beat him for failing to focus enough on his studies, once so severely he temporarily went mute when he was 6 years old, said his court-appointed defense lawyer Heidi Cesare. As a university student in Dhaka, Bangladesh, he got his first taste of freedom and became radicalized by other students, she said.

According to a criminal complaint unsealed in October, Nafis entered the United States in 2012 with a student visa, and eventually traveled to the New York City borough of Queens.

It said he scouted targets for a potential attack, including the New York Stock Exchange and President Barack Obama, settling eventually on the Federal Reserve Bank in Manhattan.

Nafis attempted to recruit others to his plot, and discussed his plans over social media sites such as Facebook, the complaint said. He claimed he was in contact with al Qaeda operatives overseas and actively sought out new al Qaeda connections in the United States, the complaint said. :tsk:

One of the individuals he brought on board was an undercover agent working for the FBI, who monitored Nafis' activities and helped arm him with the inoperable explosives, federal authorities said. :coffee:


Bangladeshi man sentenced to 30 years for New York Fed bomb plot - U.S. News

as now we finding people of Pakistan and Bangladesh more willing to visit India, the news like as below would also have a place here, i think :facepalm:
Police reportedly have arrested five suspects in Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city, for planning an attack at the home of a National Assembly member, using a suicide bomber-for-hire and explosives expert that they hired for just $15,000.

nydailynews.com/news/world/suicide-bomber-sale-pakistan-investigation-reveals-article-1.355774
A Pakistani official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named because of the sensitive nature of the topic, said the going price for child bombers was $7,000 to $14,000 - huge sums in Pakistan, where per-capita income is about $2,600 a year.0

washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/02/taliban-buying-children-to-serve-as-suicide-bomber/#ixzz3AiP69H6k
 
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State of the nationreport: poverty, worklessness andwelfare dependencyin the UK

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (Religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced. :facepalm:

//bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM -poverty-report.pdf
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=> here, Canada put Bangladeshi Muslims with Pakistani Muslims, as how Bangladesh was part of Pakistan till 1972 :thumb:

Pakistani-Canadians: Falling below the poverty line

Pakistan-born immigrants are the new face of poverty in urban Canada. The Canadian census revealed that 44 per cent of Pakistan-born immigrants fell below the poverty line making them the second most poverty prone group of immigrants in Canada.:coffee:

While they may project an aura of opulence during their visits back home, their life in Canada, however, is often full of struggle and frustration. Thousands of Pakistani trained engineers, doctors, and PhDs are driving taxis or are working as security guards in large cities. In fact, one in three taxi-drivers in Canada was born in either India or Pakistan. Several others are unemployed thus becoming a burden on Canadian taxpayers.

The latest Census data for income for 2005 revealed that Pakistan-born immigrants reported the second highest incidence for the low-income cut-off, a proxy for poverty line in Canada. In comparison, only 18 per cent of India-born immigrants in Canada reported being a low-income person or belonging to a low-income economic family. Immigrants born in the United Kingdom, Portugal, Italy and Germany reported the lowest incidence of poverty in Canada.
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Unlike in the Middle East where the Arab governments do not allow assimilation of migrant workers, the Canadian government and the society to a large extent does not create systematic barriers that may limit the immigrants' ability to succeed and assimilate in Canada. This is not to suggest that immigrants face no barriers at all in Canada. They in fact do. For instance, Pakistan-trained doctors cannot practice medicine without completing further training in Canada. The shorter duration of medical training in Pakistan necessitates the additional certification for doctors. Engineering graduates from Pakistan, however, face no such barrier because the engineering curriculum and the duration of training in Pakistan is similar to that in Canada.

Despite the opportunities (and constraints), Pakistani-Canadians have not prospered as much as immigrants from other countries have. In 2005, wages earned by Pakistan-born immigrants were on average 70 per cent of the wages earned by those born in Canada. In comparison, wages earned by the India-born immigrants were 86 per cent of the wages earned by Canadians. At the same time, immigrants born in America earned 20 per cent more in wages than those born in Canada. Similarly, UK-born immigrants also reported on average higher wages than that of Canadian-born.
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Because of lower wages, the Pakistan-born immigrants reported as one of the lowest home-ownership rates. Only 55 per cent of Pakistan-born immigrants reported owning their homes. In comparison, 75 per cent of the India-born immigrants owned their homes. At the same time, while only 12 per cent of the India- and Philippines-born immigrants had never worked in the past, 22 per cent of the Pakistan-born immigrants in Canada reported never being in the workforce.

The difference in wages, home-ownership rates, and employment rates between immigrants from India and Pakistan extend beyond the economic spheres. For instance, Pakistani-born immigrants live in large-sized families. Whereas only 13 per cent of India-born immigrants live in households of five persons or more, 44 per cent of the Pakistan-born immigrants live in households with five or more people. Given the lower wages, high unemployment rates and rental units, Pakistan-born immigrants experience severe crowding at homes where the number of residents per room is perhaps the highest owing to the large family sizes. :ranger:

Given similar cultural endowments, education, and language skills, it is important to explore why Pakistan-born immigrants in Canada have lagged behind their Indian counterparts. The Indian diaspora is much larger in size and has been established in Canada for over a longer period, which has allowed immigrants from India to benefit from the social networks required to establish oneself in employment markets.

While immigrants from Pakistan lack the social networks necessary for success with employment, I would also argue that they suffer from a self-imposed identity crisis. After arriving from Pakistan, many male immigrants feel threatened by the Canadian liberal values, which empower their children and women. Suddenly the head of the household cannot dictate the way he did in Pakistan. Instead of embracing the change that empowers their families, several male immigrants end up in a hostile standoff with their families that sometimes lasts for decades. At the same time, religious leaders, which are almost always imported from back home to serve in mosques in Canada, preach orthodoxy to the parish, further confusing the struggling males.

With turmoil at home and bleak employment prospects outside, Pakistan-born male immigrants struggle with the decision to stay in Canada or return to Pakistan. Children and wives are often shipped back to Pakistan for prolonged periods while the males continue struggling in the job market. While their children see themselves as Canadians, the Pakistan-born male immigrants spent decades figuring out how to cope with their hyphenated identity, i.e., Pakistani-Canadian.

The limited success of (mostly Asian and African) immigrants in the economic spheres and their modest assimilation in the mainstream Canadian culture has prompted the right-wing groups to launch campaigns against immigration to Canada. While opponents of immigration are mostly naïve and their recommendations to reduce immigration border on lunacy, the fact remains that huge changes in the Canadian immigration policies are already taking place. In Saskatchewan, for instance, the provincial government on May 2 has changed the law that now prohibits immigrants from sponsoring their extended family members unless they secure a "high skill" job offer before arrival.

Since 2001, Pakistan has lost the most in its share of supplying immigrants to Canada. Pakistan was the third largest source of immigrants to Canada in 2001 supplying 6.1 per cent of the total immigrants. However, by 2010 Pakistan's share of immigrants declined by 71 per cent. Pakistan is no longer even in the top 10 sources of immigrants for Canada. At the same time, the Philippines experienced a 153 per cent increase in its share of immigrants making it the biggest source of immigrants to Canada in 2010.
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While there is no shortage of applicants in Pakistan, it is hard to establish the precise reason for the declining number of immigrants. It could be that the dismal performance of Pakistan-based immigrants may have prompted the government to reduce the intake from Pakistan. It may also be true that the exponential increase in violence and militancy in Pakistan may have made the task of verifying credentials and identifying future citizens much more difficult.

Over the next 50 years Canada will need millions more immigrants. The current and expected fertility rates in Canada suggest that immigration is the only possible way of ensuring enough workers needed for economic growth and to keep solvent Canada's security net. Pakistan-born immigrants had the chance to excel in Canada and pave the way for future generations of enterprising immigrants. Instead, Pakistan-born immigrants became the face of Canada's urban poverty. Their dismal performance in Canada and the spread of religious fanaticism back home will most likely further reduce immigration from Pakistan.

dawn.com/news/718842/pakistani-canadians-falling-below-the-poverty-line/?commentPage=1&storyPage=2
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How Muhammad is now the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales...

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725724/How-Muhammad-popular-baby-boys-England-Wales-doesn-t-official-list-ways-spell-it.html
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Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'

The Muslim population in Britain has grown by more than 500,000 to 2.4 million in just four years, according to official research collated for The Times. :truestory:

thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article1937685.ece
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sir, we usually talk, half of the Muslim population of world is aged below 20 years, no matter which country you go.....

here, how do you see these reports about UK, where more than half of the Pakistani+Bangladeshi families fall below poverty line? :ranger:
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Heroin in Pakistan more affordable than food.
July 16, 2013 21:20

//youtu.be/j7ww2Cg_cE8
Over one billion dollars' worth of heroin each year – that is the deadly fallout Pakistan gets from the blooming narcotics industry that provides the main cash crop in devastated Afghanistan. Locals say heroin is cheaper than food.

It's thought Pakistan has more than four million drug addicts, but less than 80 dedicated drug rehab clinics. :ranger:

As RT's Lucy Kafanov reports from Karachi, those heroin addicts don't even bother hiding their habit. For many this is a deadly path.

Local young man Abdullah spent two weeks looking for his father, a heroin addict, eventually finding him in Karachi's largest morgue.

While help for drug addicts is in short supply, there is no shortage of heroin on the streets of Karachi.

Afghanistan is the world's largest producer of opium – heroin's main ingredient – and accounts for 90 per cent of the global supply. Roughly 40 per cent of it is smuggled through Pakistan.

Opium production is up for the third year in a row, and predicted to grow more. When NATO leaves in 2014, there are fears the floodgates will open for the spread of the deadly harvest.

For more watch RT's Lucy Kafanov's report from Pakistan

//rt.com/news/pakistan-afghanistan-drugs-heroin-186/
Heroin in Pakistan more affordable than food — RT News
 
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It is same abrahamic technique that christians, muslims, jews, and communists use.

Jews differ as they try to be priestly class but w.e lets us focus on other 3.

Basically pretend to be very nice, religion of peace, love or equality (islam, christianity, or communism)

then gain numbers and exterminate people.

http://rt.com/op-edge/252089-australia-indigenous-aboriginal-people-war/

This for example,
Australia has again declared war on Indigenous people, reminiscent of the brutality that brought global condemnation on apartheid South Africa. Aboriginal people are to be driven from homelands where their communities have lived for thousands of years.

In Western Australia, where mining companies make billion dollar profits exploiting Aboriginal land, the state government says it can no longer afford to "support" the homelands.

Vulnerable populations, already denied the basic services most Australians take for granted, are on notice of dispossession without consultation, and eviction at gunpoint. Yet again, Aboriginal leaders have warned of "a new generation of displaced people" and "cultural genocide".

Genocide is a word Australians hate to hear. Genocide happens in other countries, not the "lucky"society that per capita is the second richest on earth. When "act of genocide" was used in the 1997 landmark report Bringing Them Home, which revealed that thousands of Indigenous children had been stolen from their communities by white institutions and systematically abused, a campaign of denial was launched by a far-right clique around the then prime minister John Howard. It included those who called themselves the Galatians Group, then Quadrant, then the Bennelong Society; the Murdoch press was their voice.'

http://rt.com/op-edge/252089-australia-indigenous-aboriginal-people-war/

hmmm WA has very high incarceration rate of Aboriginal people too, .....

even if they have enough support for jobs etc, its mainly the environment of education/competition like India is lacked in Australia as whole, why they dont try to utilize favorable opportunities/reservations in jobs etc for them...

US/UK/Australia aren't the place where you have any environment of education etc, that these aborigines could also learn from it.... while the migrants usually getting high paid professional jobs in those big firms, where the reserved seats for the aborigines remains vacant most of time...

Aboriginal Prison Rates

In 2008 Aboriginal people represent only 2.3% of the total population, yet over 28% of Australia's prison population are Aboriginal.

30% Percentage of all incarcerated women in Australia who were Aboriginal in 2010; of incarcerated men: 24%

48% Percentage of juveniles in custody who are Aboriginal :facepalm:

Aboriginal prison rates - Creative Spirits
 
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