Manmohan slams West for using force to change regimes

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One cannot quite understand what this Govt policy is all about.

India went whole hog to get into the US 'strategic' good books by pushing through with great persuasion the Nuclear Deal, went through various defence deals with the US inspite of unfavourable provisions to include unrestricted usage verification, had a whole lot of defence operability exercises, abandoned the Iran to India pipeline, pus.syfooting on Myanmar India pipeline, continuing with peace dialogues with Pakistan even though it continues to promote terror attacks on India..........and now practically kicking the US in the teeth!

Are we with the US or against the US?

If only someone could explain this!
 

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This is TP sreenivasan -

At the UN, Dr Singh spoke not just for India, but for the world


By speaking for all nations without going into details, India expressed its confidence that it cannot be excluded if the Security Council is expanded. This was more effective than the usual assertion of the Indian claim on every occasion, says T P Sreenivasan.

Diplomats at the UN, burdened by the weight of their national positions, do not applaud statements by leaders of other countries except at the end of their speeches as dictated by tradition.

They rarely burst into applause over an idea or a declaration as nothing is taken at face value. Speeches are for analysis in depth for new nuances in policy. But they applauded Dr Manmohan Singh when he read out a short paragraph on UN reform.

"We must address the issue of the deficit in global governance. We need a stronger and more effective United Nations that is sensitive to the aspirations of everyone -- rich or poor, big or small. For this, the United Nations and its principal organs, the General Assembly and the Security Council, must be revitalised and reformed. The reform and expansion of the Security Council are essential if it is to reflect contemporary reality. Such an outcome will enhance the Council's credibility and effectiveness in dealing with global issues. Early reform of the Security Council must be pursued with renewed vigour and urgently enacted," said Dr Manmohan Singh.

What attracted attention was the clear and forthright statement on reform, which can be endorsed by 193 member States, including the permanent members. All of them acknowledge that the Security Council needs reform to reflect contemporary reality and to enhance its credibility and effectiveness.

But if the prime minister had gone beyond this even to say that both the permanent and non-permanent categories should be expanded, the applause would have been less. If he pleaded for G-4 or went into the merits of India's claim, he would have been greeted with stony silence.

By speaking for all nations without going into details, India expressed its confidence that it cannot be excluded if the Council is expanded. This was more effective than the usual assertion of the Indian claim on every occasion.

Statesmanship and restraint have paid off instantly. Whatever he may have discussed with his counterparts in the corridors, the position he articulated in the speech was dignified and it helped to remove the impression that securing permanent membership was India's highest priority in the UN.

In fact, the whole speech of the prime minister at the General Assembly this year was statesmanlike. He spoke not just for India, but for the world and sought solutions for the economic and political ills of the world. He plunged straight into the economic scene without much of an introduction and identified the adverse impact of globalisation.

Coming as it did from Dr Manmohan Singh, the assessment seemed surprising. Though he did not go into remedies, the diagnosis clearly indicated that globalisation did not yield the kind of results expected of it.

Given the atmospherics in New York, which focused on the Middle East in general and Palestine in particular, Dr Manmohan Singh could not have skirted the problems of the region. Though the Arab Spring was inspired by a welcome demand by the people for the right to shape their own future, the consequence was spiraling price rise and instability.

The steadfast support for a Palestine State was balanced by asserting the need for the region to live in peace with Israel. The strongest political message he delivered to the West was, "The observance of the rule of law is as important in international affairs as it is within countries. Societies cannot be reordered from outside through military force." But he did not spare authoritarian regimes.

"Governments are duty bound to their citizens to create conditions that enable them to freely determine their pathways to development. This is the essence of democracy and fundamental freedoms," he said.

In other words, the prime minister categorically stated the rationale behind the positions adopted by India in the Security Council in the last nine months. Together with his meeting with the President of Iran and the announcement made in New York that he would visit Iran, the prime minister's statement may well be taken as a signal that India was expanding its options all around.

The prime minister spoke of terrorism, encouraging signs of cooperation in South Asia, need for reconciliation in Afghanistan, piracy, disarmament and safety of nuclear plants, the international issues that have been engaging his attention. He also gave considerable attention to the old and traditional links with Africa and the Least Developed Countries. The only references he made to domestic issues, which were dogging him to New York was about poverty alleviation and the importance of a democratic, plural and secular India.

UN speeches are not occasions to change policy, but to elaborate national positions in a manner that will influence friends and adversaries alike. Dr Manmohan Singh clearly gave the impression that he was resorting to some of the old ideological strains and old constituencies to signal his disappointment with the West. But he did it in a language which nobody would take exception to. As the adage goes, a diplomat is a person who can make someone look forward to the trip if he is asked to go to hell.

Having been a ghost writer of UN speeches for prime ministers and foreign ministers, I know the processes and procedures that go into the exercise of preparing speeches. Inputs come from various sources and it is a challenge to create a cohesive and comprehensive speech from a multitude of drafts.

One foreign minister had the habit of asking various officials and academics for ideas for the speech and it was hard to wade through the flood of material that came in. Often, the speech became a tour d' horizon, stretching into several pages and covering much of the agenda of the General Assembly.

The speech this time had the merit of being elegant, precise and brief. It provided the backdrop for Indian positions in the General Assembly and the Security Council.


Foreign visits and UN accolades give some relief to prime ministers when they are under siege by intractable domestic issues. The case of Dr Manmohan Singh was no different, with one of the scams exploding at the very time he was meeting his counterparts and giving thought to the global economic and political challenges "at a time of great uncertainty and profound change."

The applause in the General Assembly was not drowned out by the opposition in India and the PM's worldview appeared to enjoy consensus back home, not a mean achievement in these turbulent times.


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So are we for other issues. My only point is we shouldn't appoint west as standard for our policies.
True.

But should we not have a consistent policy or should we be fickle as the wind?

Can India not follow a policy of doing what she wants to do, without getting ballistic publicly?

I am sure India can act as an honest broker towards US Iran reconciliation. Pakistan did it for US and US sworn enemy at that time, China.

Strategically speaking, if we are to contain/ restrict China's hegemonic zeal, then we require to 'outsource' our concerns.

The Indian Ocean is too vast a scene for India to manage and, as it is said, we must take the conflict into the adversaries zone.

Or we shut up and be domesticated pu.ssy cats!

At the UN, Dr Singh spoke not just for India, but for the world
Let us understand our own priorities first and then take on the mantle as the spokesman for the world. Nehru did it and we know the consequences!

I think we are getting overtaken by the grandiloquent statements and statistics that we are about to burst onto the international scene as a new kid on the block!
 
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True.

But should we not have a consistent policy or should we be fickle as the wind?
We've been compromised in past on various fronts. But this new foreign policy structure might employ dynamic stance while keeping the strategic goals on forefront. Will that be consistent? We wait to see.

Can India not follow a policy of doing what she wants to do, without getting ballistic publicly?

I am sure India can act as an honest broker towards US Iran reconciliation. Pakistan did it for US and US sworn enemy at that time, China.

Strategically speaking, if we are to contain/ restrict China's hegemonic zeal, then we require to 'outsource' our concerns.

The Indian Ocean is too vast a scene for India to manage and, as it is said, we must take the conflict into the adversaries zone.

Or we shut up and be domesticated pu.ssy cats!
Though US prefers quick solutions. India won't. We'll be following traditional trust-but-verify approach. World is large enough to consider other states & following effects apart from china/US. This process will last for years maybe decades. Successive govts & emerging situations will shape the relationship.
 
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We've been compromised in past on various fronts. But this new foreign policy structure might employ dynamic stance while keeping the strategic goals on forefront. Will that be consistent? We wait to see.
What are our strategic goal?

To achieve the same, we must have the national strength to do so.

Are we militarily or economically or stable as a nation (insurgencies, divided political scenario, economic chaos etc) capable of achieving the strategic goal or goals?
 

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What are our strategic goal?

To achieve the same, we must have the national strength to do so.

Are we militarily or economically or stable as a nation (insurgencies, divided political scenario, economic chaos etc) capable of achieving the strategic goal or goals?
Yeah I also hope that we'll be completely prepared, someday.

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Willingly or unwillingly, coming generations of Govt leaders will have to device a disciplined roadmap to address the troubling issues or maybe future problems we might not even know now. IMO its about maturity of leadership & political class. 60+yrs but we are still in nascent stage and yet to mature as a state. It will take some years but hopefully foreign policy will stay immune of internal political problems. AFAIK there are not many contradicting examples of past to negate the earlier view.
 

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The way this Govt is going and tying themselves up in a buggers' muddle (English phrase and not mine), I am losing hope.
 

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The PM's Speech at the 66th UNGA session - Arvind Gupta

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's speech at the annual session of the UNGA was succinct and comprehensive. It laid down in clear terms his analysis of the current global situation which in his view is fraught with "great uncertainty and profound change". How should his speech be assessed in the context of India's world view and its foreign policy?

The PM's analysis of the world situation covered a wide range of issues: the economic slowdown in the US, Europe and Japan will have a negative impact including on developing countries; food and energy prices are escalating uncontrollably; the sea lanes of communications in the Indian Ocean "are under siege" from pirates; nuclear proliferation continues to pose threats to international security; the unresolved Palestinian question remains the source of threat and instability. The PM also touched briefly on the developments in West Asia, Gulf and North Africa as well as in Afghanistan. He avoided mentioning China, Pakistan or Iran in his analysis of global and regional security.

While he mentioned "new threats' to international security (food, energy, piracy, nuclear safety, financial instabilities, poverty, terrorism, radicalisation of the youth), he left out water, climate change, pandemics, militarization of space, etc. He also avoided mentioning biological weapons though a review conference of the Biological Weapons Convention is due in December.

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The PM's Speech at the 66th UNGA session: Indian Foreign Policy in Search of a Balance? | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses
 

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