Indian Gurkha Troops in Brunei - What it means for India

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  1. Kshatriya87

    Kshatriya87 Senior Member Senior Member

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    India offers to send its Gurkhas to Brunei

    Britain could lose its last military outpost in the Far East after the offer from Indian vice-president Mohammad Hamid Ansari

    Britain’s last military outpost in the Far East may be at risk amid reports India has offered to send its Gurkhas to protect the Sultanate of Brunei, a role currently performed by the British Army.

    The tiny oil-rich sultanate of Brunei was a British protectorate for almost a century, and has continued to pay to host a battalion of British Army Gurkhas since independence in 1984.

    But in recent years Brunei has found itself caught up in a struggle between its larger regional neighbours including India and China over the South China Sea.

    On an official visit ending on Wednesday, Indian vice-president Mohammad Hamid Ansari signed a bilateral defence agreement involving joint military exercises and training, in part designed to shore up Brunei against Chinese claims on its disputed maritime territory.

    Sources present at the meeting told The Indian Express that India had also offered to provide troops including retired soldiers from its own Gurkha Regiment, potentially supplanting the current role of the British Forces Brunei.

    The claims will raise fears over the future of a deal in which the Sultan pays tens of millions of pounds annually to support a 1,000-strong British Army presence that informally guarantees his rule.

    It comes at a time when the Sultanate is making swingeing defence cuts as its economy reels from plummeting global oil prices.

    Officials briefed after the meeting that a team from Brunei would shortly visit India to “identify areas" of cooperation.

    An Indian foreign ministry spokesman did not deny the reports, but said the proposal was “not a firm offer” and could be limited to provision of bodyguards rather than active military.

    India is keen to build stronger ties with many Southeast Asian countries as part of a ‘Look East’ strategy designed to counterbalance China’s expansion in the region.

    Energy-hungry India also imports large amounts of oil and gas from Brunei, while the sultanate is home to a 10,000-strong Indian community.

    During the Sultan of Brunei’s visit to Chequers last February, David Cameron signed a deal to renew the presence of the Royal Gurkha Rifles in Brunei for another five years.

    A Number 10 spokesman said at the time: "The PM noted that the garrison enables the UK to provide a permanent presence in South Asia while also providing an opportunity for British forces to undertake extreme environment training.”

    Britain keeps a battalion of the Royal Gurkha Rifles in Brunei in an agreement with the Sultan, and keeps another battalion in Folkestone.

    The Sultanate also has a separate military which includes a reserve Gurkha unit, made mainly of former British Gurkhas who decided to stay on in the country after retiring.

    A defence source said it would likely be this reserve force that would be affected by any deal with India.

    The source said: "There's absolutely no question that the Royal Gurkha Rifles battalion is going to replaced by Indian Gurkhas."

    A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "The employment of forces from other countries in Brunei is a matter for the Government of Brunei.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ld-soon-replace-British-forces-in-Brunei.html
     
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    Now India has rightly started behaving as the regional power. Tarak Fatah was right when he said that our policy should be based on ideology. He advocated that india should help Yemen as they have a very old relations with India even before the time of Islam. He said that now Yemen is in need so India should help them. This is right. We have reached to a level where we can help others. We should make our Global presence felt. By extending some co operation to our friendly countries,
     
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    Negative. Yemen is in direct conflict with Iran. We have had ancient relations with Iran as well. We definitely cannot risk our relations with Iran. Better to stay away from middle east. Confront pak. Increase our presence in Indian sub continent. Then think of any adventures in middle east.
     
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    Brunei has Oil , Vietnam has oil .............and ONGC is exploring their oil fields ........this Brunei is also a fucked up muslim extremist country .............but china is more dangerous than Brunei and this is a good opportunity for India to create pressure on china as well as getting Oil from south china sea .
     
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    we will not get anything from interfering in Yemen or Syria , we all know that USA is helping sunni muslims , russia is helping shia muslims ...............let them fight & we should grab popcorn .​
     
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    Might I add while keeping an eye out for opportunities and while keeping our assets safe.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Brunei has oil, right? I suppose that explains everything. Isn't Oman an Indian protectorate? Or is it Qatar?
     
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    Kshatriya87 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Yes it does. A large percentage of our oil and gas imports comes from there.

    I don't know about other protectorates.

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    No Both of them are not. India currently has no protectorate, bhutan was once, till just after independence.
     
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    Should completely replace the British.

    But I do not get this fetish for Gurkha soldiers.
     
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    After all these years, I don't think they will settle for anything less than gorkhas. Specially for that kinda money.
     
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    What do you mean? Gurkhas are special?

    Are you another customer of British martial race theory?
     
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    Kshatriya87 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Lol no. What's special is their status/impression on the minds of others.

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    The Gurkhas have the BRAND VALUE built by their historic precedence.....though other regiments are equally brave with heroic past but few get such international fame as the Gurkhas have and hence, the BRAND
     
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    maybe the british are getting nostalgic about being saved twice during ww1 and ww2.
     
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    India's balancing act is well known internationally!!

    We have to Confront Pak with new realities..Some hard political maneuvering are needed in the middle east.
     
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    Nuvneet Kundu Senior Member Senior Member

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    It's not nostalgia. It's a calculated move to hire slaves to die for their empire by telling them that they are 'special'. There is no such thing as a martial race, anyone who is faced by threat will fight for his life. The Gorkha story is the longest lasting slave auction in modern history which has been sold to a global audience as a good thing, by the British propaganda machine. There is an agitation going on in UK to allow Gorkha ex-servicemen to receive residential permit to stay in UK after their service but the UK doesn't allow even that. How is it that they don't allow such a superior race of fighters who risked their lives for the UK, to live in that country? This shows the British duplicity. We should use the Maoist takeover of Nepal as an opportunity to get them to pass a rule to make it constitutionally illegal for Nepalis to join western armies. Check the hiring procedure, it's the same as buying slaves.



    Make some suggestions, sir, let's start making a comprehensive list of things that we need to do. Shall we start a new thread for foreign policy suggestions?
     
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    NOTHING SERIOUS, it was a pun intended on british past. we know the british are world's top hypocrites
     

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