Indian boots in Afghanistan?

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    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/?page=2010\11\08\story_8-11-2010_pg7_39

    By Ali K Chishti

    US President Barack Obama has already begun his 10-day trip to Asia where he would be visiting Japan, South Korea, Indonesia and India. Obama’s trip to Japan, South Korea and Indonesia is seen as a “continuing policy” to further strategic cooperation between the US against growing Chinese influence and North Korea. However, it is his trip to India, which is being seen as “agenda-driven” and somewhat a strategic shift by the US.

    Obama’s trip to India, which the Indian media is playing up as an “extra-ordinary trip”, is being seen with very high hopes domestically where various agreements and issues such as civil nuclear cooperation, economics, counter-terrorism, Pakistan and China will be discussed in great detail. The real agenda of Obama’s trip to India is “Afghanistan” where there’s “an absolute breakdown of relations”. While both the US and India wish to avoid re-emergence of terrorism sanctuaries capable of carrying out international terrorism, it is the “US giving all cards to the Pakistanis in Afghanistan, which is a real problem. We have investments, assets and recent history which prove that Afghanistan is abused and used against carrying out attacks inside India”, confirmed Zahid Hussain, an Indian defence analyst.

    “Afghanistan has become a major source of tension between the US and India for the primary reason that India does not believe that we will stay until the job is done,” McCain said in a speech before leaving for a trip to Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq. While President Obama will be in India signing deals and will give a strong statement supporting India, McCain will be on a “Mission Pakistan” to make sure “no egos are hurt” in Islamabad.

    While Obama will be singing praises for New Delhi, Daily Times had been told by many American analysts close to the US Defence Department that finally, the US has made up it’s mind up to formally ask India to send troops to Afghanistan due to shortage of manpower in Afghanistan, to satisfy non-Pakhtuns, and to satisfy the concerns of India and other regional powers, including Russia regarding a possible Taliban take-over. It should be noted that Pakistan’s all-powerful army chief General Ashfaq Kayani, in Washington DC, publically called for “minimising Indian role” in Afghanistan for an exchange of stability in Afghanistan.

    The US, according to Harvey Caroll, a US defence analyst, “is thinking broadly and keeping all its options open and while there had been talks with the Taliban, the US also wants to keep the Northern Alliance and “non-Pakhtuns” happy or give some sense of security for the long term. Pakistan needs to get out of its India-centric attitude and stop the blackmail”.

    “The almost 9,000 Indian troops deployed on UN peacekeeping missions could easily be re-deployed in Afghanistan,” confirmed Bharat Singh, an Indian defence analyst. While it should be noted that India has other interests in Afghanistan too, it primarily wants to end Pakistan’s monopoly as a gateway to Afghanistan and had even financed an alternate corridor of strategic importance that connects Afghanistan with the Iranian port of Chahbahar. The 280km road from Delaram on the Kandahar-Herat highway to Zananj is India’s own ‘Silk Road’, which it wants to protect at any cost with the Iranians, who play along.

    India, which traditionally has been supporting the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, has many defence officials and even a serving brigadier inside Afghanistan to look after Indian interests. Daily Times has been told that Lt Gen RK Loomba, the Indian Army’s Military Intelligence DG, was also in Afghanistan to assess Afghan military’s capabilities, and India is keen on taking the new role in Afghanistan.

    It should be remembered that the Afghan Defence Ministry, which is mostly headed by old leftists, denied Pakistan’s offer to train the Afghan army, while General Caldwell, the head of NATO training mission, during an interview previously published in Daily Times, also denied Pakistan’s role in training the Afghan army. Meanwhile, the NATO and ISAF command, which sees Pakistan as an “enemy” because of Pakistan’s security doctrine of “strategic depth” and the analogy of “good Taliban and bad Taliban”, also wants Indian boots in Afghanistan since 2006 and would still welcome them.

    In a conference call with reporters this week, Robert D Blackwill, who served as an ambassador to India during the George W Bush administration, said India is extremely anxious that the US would forge a deal with the Taliban in Afghanistan. McCain described the emergence of a strategic partnership with India as “one of the most consequential, bipartisan successes of recent US foreign policy”. While it should be remembered that India has taken Russia, France, the UK and now even the Americans on board for their permanent membership in the UN Security Council.

    On the Pakistani side, the country has taken a central role in Afghanistan policy by assuring the Americans earlier this year that “we will help you stabilise Afghanistan only when you reduce Indian influence in Afghanistan”. The offer to India from the US to actually bring in uniformed Indian soldiers to Afghanistan would be seen as a serious security threat and an anti-thesis to Pakistani security doctrine of strategic depth.

    Could this be all bluff? The US actually pressurising Pakistan? “Maybe, but it would certainly take skeletons out of the Pakistanis, plus the possibility is real. We can’t get blackmailed anymore,” Daily Times was told.
     
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    Cant say if this will be a good option . We will be hot target for all taliban groups. But on the other hand it will send a strong message to Pakistan and they will go nuts. Having somewhere around 20-30 K soilders in Afganistan will definitely release pressure on eastern front and send right message to Pakistan.
     
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    The reaction from Pakistan, as indicated by Pakistan’s Daily Times, is natural.

    There is no doubt that Pakistan is petrified by India. Her history books are all organised to wipe ot any reference that there was a India before Pakistan came in to being. In fact, by inference, India came into being carved out of what they believe is Pakistan! (Please see Najma Sethi’s discourse on Pakistan’s Distorted History in the tread with the same name).

    Not all of Indian media is giving round the clock coverage. However, Chisti is right on one point and that it is an extraordinary visit, in that the US President is visit spans three days, which I believe is extraordinary. Hence, it is obvious that it would give Pakistan sleepless nights speculating and getting ulcers caused by hyperacidity through agony!

    Obama has been very circumspect over Jihad and Pakistan’s well documented tryst with terrorism exporting worldwide. Therefore, he can hardly be taken to be anti Pakistan. He has gone to the extent of reminding Indians that Pakistan herself is a victim of terrorism. One could forgive him for forgetting the Bible – As ye sow, so shall ye reap. The terrorism is but a Pakistani and US Frankenstein that has visited them now! In fact, there is a growing cynicism that Obama is downright Pakistan centric and that is what his ‘agenda’ is! It is true that a stable Pakistan is good for India, but then that is asking for the moon. Can one make a pig’s tail anything but curly and never straight?

    Agreements have to come. A quid pro quo. After all the Americans are fully aware that there is no free lunches and that is a saying of their own coinage and so they should know best. It is not India’s fault that Pakistan has nothing to offer even to Burkina Faso, excepting possibly terrorists and the world does not find it listed as blue chip on their Stock Exchange!

    If Obama’s visit to Asian countries that skirts China is seen as an anti China move, it is not of India’s doing. Pakistan should ask Obama and the US of this since that is more important an issue that moving with the begging bowl at the drop of a hat.

    What will be discussed ‘behind closed doors’ is anybody’s guess. If the reality of Asian geopolitics and India’s pivotal role is discussed, it will be worth the while of his visit to the peripheral nations on China’s border, including those annexed or being threatened to be annexed as a threat in being.

    It is not understood as to how McCain on a “Mission Pakistan” is to make sure “no egos are hurt” in Islamabad. I thought he was quite categorical that the US must forge even closure relations with India.
    If India does puts boots on the ground in Afghanistan, then Pakistan’s dreams will be shattered since she will have two fronts to defend!! And no freebies from the USA!! China would also be up a gum tree!
     
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    If we want to be a force to reckon with we must let them know that we will go to any extent to protect our interests. Indian presence in Afghanistan will definitely be a right step in this direction.It will be right step to let Pakistan know that they need to be careful in its policies against India.
     
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    Indian boots on ground seems to be in lala land with several problems

    1)what is our command structure?Under NATO or UN?

    2)How will we secure our logistics route can't see through pakistan or iran

    3)compatibility with regard to training with nato guys
     
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    I would say that its too early to decide our role there . Ideally it should be under UN command and we should be there to maintain law and order in areas which are free from line of fire or more hostile areas. It will allow NATO and USA to concentrate more on crushing Taliban.

    Troops and goods can be routed through Iran . Chabahar can be used .
    It will take very long time to send our troops there and mere thought or talks of our troops going there will force Pakistan to yield desired result. Mere talk of us going there will be enough to screw Pakistan's Happiness.
     
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    An indo russian joint force may be a good idea...
     
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    Russians are not welcome there and will not try to burn their fingers again. They would rather help us by supplying systems and intelligence .
     
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    Russians are already in cooperation with the US in Afghanistan and Russians are operating out there.

     
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    It is a moot point if India would send troops to Afghanistan unless there is some sort of a path breaking Strategic Partnership Agreement is signed wherein Indian troops will operate under a Jt Comd.

    Logistics is the main concern of the US since it is wholly dependant on the Pakistan route.

    India has no such huge problems and could use the Chahbahar Port in Iran and move the supplies along the Chahbahar route to Afghanistan both to the Western and Eastern part. The port and the highways were built by India in any case and possibly for this very reason.

    However, all this is in the realm of speculation.
     
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    Sir,

    What in your opinion would be the Chinese reaction to any Indian boots in A'stan ? While there would be natural apprehension over increasing Indo-US co-operation, would there also be a smirk over the increasing number of bogs, that the Indian Army would be engaged in ?
     
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    How about taking the russian army heavy equipment Tanks, APCs from russia on lease that way it will reduce the logistic headache.
     
  14. LETHALFORCE

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    This maybe a good India only if/ when USA's mission is over it should not mean India's mission is over, If India is going there they have to think more of a long term almost permanent type of view.
     
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    I think India should send around 10000 to 12000 troops to Afghanistan under UN umbrella as a peacekeeping force.
    India should use the chahbahar port of Iran for its logistics and supplies.
    This move would give befitting reply to the Pakistanis and they will be forced to move some of their forces from its eastern border to the western border.
    This would help Indian Army maintain relative peace in Jammu and Kashmir as well.

    Mere statement "Indian boots in Afghanistan" would be giving sleepless nights to Ashfaq Qayani.
    India should make this move rather earlier than to wait for the US to retreive their forces.
    This will project that even India can work for its interest under the UN umbrella for the stability of the region.


    Would be anxious to watch China's move on this, though.
     
  16. The Messiah

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    Atleast this way pakis wont have excuse of shifting troops to western border since they'll have Indian troops on both sides.

    Although we should go until the afghan govt invites us themselves.
     

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