India Selects Pilatus Basic Trainer!!!

[Sridhar]

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[sant]

Knocking door for UN Security Permanent membership , It is shame that we can't build our own basic trainer

 

[sandeepdg]

^^ Well, I am surprised that we still managed to build the LCA !

Don't made what led these folks to select the Pilatus instead of KT-1, which I believe is much better.

 

[Galaxy]

Soon, Rs 2,900cr deal for trainer jets for rookies

Soon, Rs 2,900cr deal for trainer jets for rookies

NEW DELHI: India is swiftly moving towards inking another major deal for training aircraft to teach rookie pilots the intricacies of combat flying before it stitches up the over $10.4 billion (Rs 42,000 crore) project to acquire 126 top-notch fighters.

The Rs 2,900 crore deal for acquiring 75 Swiss Pilatus PC-7 turbo basic trainers is in the final stages now, with the "note" prepared for the Cabinet Committee on Security being "vetted" by the finance ministry at present, say defence ministry sources.

"While the contract for 126 MMRCA ( medium multi-role combat aircraft) is likely to be inked only by January-February, the trainer deal will be signed this year itself," said a source.

Though the Pilatus trainer had emerged the cheapest among other contenders like American Hawker-Beechcraft's T-6C Texan-II and Korean Aerospace's KT-1 after flight trials, it was dogged by some allegations of irregularities in the procurement process. But MoD has dismissed them, holding the negotiations were completed with the Swiss company based on "its absolutely valid commercial offer".

IAF has long felt the need to modernize its trainer fleet, with young pilots grappling with 114 ageing piston-engined HPT-32s and 137 Kiran-I & II aircraft to learn the inherently-dangerous art of combat flying in supersonic jets. Almost 40% of the over 1,000 crashes recorded in IAF since 1970 have been attributed to "human error (air crew)".

The need for new aircraft is especially urgent since the HPT-32s, which for long served as the basic trainers for its rookie pilots, have been grounded since August 2009 after one of the aircraft crashed due to engine failure.

IAF, of course, is also progressively inducting British Hawk AJTs (advanced jet trainers), 123 of which were ordered in two contracts inked in March 2004 and July 2010 for a total of around Rs 16,000 crore, but they are meant for advanced combat training.

The Pilatus trainers will replace the HPT-32s to provide initial training to rookie pilots. The eventual requirement for the basic trainers could well touch 200, with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) making a bulk of them. The defence PSU is also developing the HJT-36 Sitara to replace the Kirans for intermediate-level training.

Soon, Rs 2,900cr deal for trainer jets for rookies - Times Of India

 

[agentperry]

75 is a very small number as compared to 114+137 hpt-32, kiran 1 and 2 which they will ultimately replace. is MoD going on for different planes or they are betting upon HAL or drdo to come up with new crafts

 

[plugwater]

Again we are buying stuffs for inflated prices.

Mahindras NM-5 costs around only 1.4 crore per piece so imo it wont go more than 1 million if developed in India. MoD should give this kinda opportunities to private players.

 

[agentperry]

Again we are buying stuffs for inflated prices.

Mahindras NM-5 costs around only 1.4 crore per piece so imo it wont go more than 1 million if developed in India. MoD should give this kinda opportunities to private players.

mahindra nm-5 is a civilian aircraft with no frisky movement capability. trainer aircrafts are used to train pilots for bigger and more fast and agile jets. one cant do it in nm-5, its for straight line motion like commercial planes. in order to use nm-5 for teaching moves and steering roughly structural changes are required to be made in it which will increase the price of nm-5.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Wait a minute, did we not have the Indian made ADA trainer, Sitra, BAE Hawk, Saras... Why the hell does IAF need so many trainers? Something fishy here.

 

[plugwater]

mahindra nm-5 is a civilian aircraft with no frisky movement capability. trainer aircrafts are used to train pilots for bigger and more fast and agile jets. one cant do it in nm-5, its for straight line motion like commercial planes. in order to use nm-5 for teaching moves and steering roughly structural changes are required to be made in it which will increase the price of nm-5.

NM-5 is a multi purpose aircraft can be used for training purpose also and its only 1.4 crore so to make something like that more maneuverable wont cost more than 4.5 crore(1 mill USD), so the sum just does not add up. we are being robbed mate.

 

[agentperry]

training an air force pilot is different from training a civilian pilot. nm-5 can be used for training pilots in flying schools not in air force academy.

 

[plugwater]

training an air force pilot is different from training a civilian pilot. nm-5 can be used for training pilots in flying schools not in air force academy.

Yes i understand what you are saying, but still its too costly.

 

[agentperry]

yeah but what we can do when HAL isnt working to develop a working trainer

 

[plugwater]

yeah but what we can do when HAL isnt working to develop a working trainer

HAL is developing HTT-40, but it is way behind schedule.

 

[ace009]

Wait a minute, did we not have the Indian made ADA trainer, Sitra, BAE Hawk, Saras... Why the hell does IAF need so many trainers? Something fishy here.

For a good airforce pilot, you need 1000 hrs of flight training before the Pilot can be handed an advanced Jet trainer. That includes the basic trainer and the medium trainer (jet version). Then 300 hrs or so on the AJT before the pilot can go on to a real advanced combat jet (trainer again).

 

[Rahul Singh]

Soon, Rs 2,900cr deal for trainer jets for rookies



The Rs 2,900 crore deal for acquiring 75 Swiss Pilatus PC-7 turbo basic trainers is in the final stages now, with the "note" prepared for the Cabinet Committee on Security being "vetted" by the finance ministry at present, say defence ministry sources.

Since when PC-7 became a Jet Trainer? Isn't there a difference between a Jet Trainer and Turbo-Trainer? It is for a reason why TOI is called Toilet Paper of India!

 

[Galaxy]

Final Approval For IAF Pilatus Trainers Next Week

Final Approval For IAF Pilatus Trainers Next Week

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 2011

"The Indian Finance Ministry has cleared the deal for 75 Pilatus PC-7 Mk II basic trainer aircraft. The deal will be presented to the Cabinet next week for final clearance. Contract signature will follow soon after," said Indian Air Chief, Air Chief Marshal N.A.K. Browne today. Have tried to get a word out of Pilatus, though the company said it could not provide any information until the contract was signed. The deal is worth $565-million (Rs 2,900-crore).

Livefist: Final Approval For IAF Pilatus Trainers Next Week

 

[Galaxy]

IAF Chief in interview:


-- Mirage upgrade on course. First 2 aircraft go to France next week. Programme team already there.

-- Will conclude follow-on order for 6 more C-130Js in January.

-- Have just received proposal for 2 more PHALCON AWACS from IAI. Will be forwarding to MoD.

-- The RFP for Honeywell F125N engines will be issued shortly for our Jaguar re-engining program.

-- Final Approval For IAF Pilatus Trainers Next Week.

-- MMRCA Winner Will Emerge Mid-December.

-- Clarifications were reqd on the trials for the 197 light chopper purchase. Sorted out.

 

[Sudeep Mukherjee]

Two New Deals Worth 5000 Cr cleared for IAF

New Deal worth 5000 cr cleared for IAF.
Some good news finally for IAF after the delays and goof up by MoD

Two important defense deals will get a final nod within a week or so. Both the deals are worth nearly 5000cr and are meant to beef up IAF. First one pertains to acquiring 75 Swiss turbo-prop aircraft to train novice pilots and second one is for 450 advanced French missiles to arm upgraded Mirage-2000 multi-role fighters.

IAF wants to induct trainers before the induction of MMRCA to train new pilots.

"We want to begin our first course on the Pilatus trainers from July 2013," said a senior officer.

Two Big Ticket Projects Cleared For IAF - World Of Defense

 

[Galaxy]

New Deal worth 5000 cr cleared for IAF.
Some good news finally for IAF after the delays and goof up by MoD

Two Big Ticket Projects Cleared For IAF - World Of Defense

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[sathya]

IAF prefers Swiss trainer jet PC-7 over Korean KT-1
Published December 14, 2011
SOURCE: INDIA TODAY



The Indian Air Force (IAF)' s contract to buy 75 basic trainer aircraft for rookie pilots is awaiting final clearance from the cabinet committee of security. The contract will likely go to the Swiss Pilatus PC-7, despite the Korean Aerospace Industries, which fielded its KT-1, crying foul. With the IAF preferring the Pilatus over the KT-1, the Korean contender has requested the government to revisit the contract. The deal is worth one billion dollars.

Korean ambassador to India Kim Joong-Keum recently wrote to defence minister A. K. Antony highlighting the technological merits and long-term cost viability of the trainer compared with the IAF's choice of PC-7. The matter has been taken up at the government level. But defence ministry sources said the Korean side had been told their objections to the deal had little merit.

The IAF urgently needs new basic trainers after the 2009 grounding of its HPT-32 Deepak basic trainers following a spate of crashes. The IAF does not want the signing of the contract delayed as its pilot training programme has already been hampered by Deepak's grounding. Even if the contract is finalised by the end of this year, it will take more than two years for the delivery to begin.