India deployed N-capable missiles on border after attack on Parliament: Rice

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  1. Yusuf

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    CIA has history of manipulating decisions in oval office. Good to know Bush didn't fell for it. Wouldn't be surprised if CIA knowingly/unknowingly represented pakistani narrow viewpoint in DC.
     
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    What is she exactly peddling?
     
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    Well we should have punished pakistan once and for all.....
     
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    US had thousands of nukes ready for deployment during the cold war, this is no big deal.
     
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    For starters. Her book.
     
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    It is her way of justifying a terrorist state's nuclear program.
     
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    Why does INDIA always bend to the pressure by the U.S. This happened during the 26/11 attack in Mumbai also?

    INDIA was under a great pressure by the U.S. and they said INDIA not to attack pakistan.

    Also why is the U.S. still hesitating on attacking pakistan after all the proofs they got about pakistan?
     
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    No matter what happens US will always support Pakistan. They have to keep a "balance" in the region, they do not want India to take over Southeast Asia. Now with Indian economy blasting off Pakistan will be even more important to support this view.
     
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    sesha_maruthi27 Senior Member Senior Member

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    What is the use in supporting pakistan even though it is a failed state?
     
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    AS LF said; it keeps us bothered and distracted. This was a COLD WAR policy that strengthened with Kissinger's arrival and has taken strong roots in US politics. They are driven to keep "balance" in region so that no country becomes powerful enough to challenge their supremacy. Look at the sequence:

    - Shook hands with Soviet Union to weaken Imperial Japan first.
    - Shook hands with the Arabs to weaken Turks (with British friendship) in WW1.
    - Shook hands with Pakistan to weaken us.
    - Shook hands with China to irritate Soviet Union.
    - Shook hands with Palestine (clandestinely) to keep Israel tied down and vice versa.
    - Shook hands with Saddam to weaken a Revolutionary ruled Iran.
    - Shook hands with Iran and Pakistan combined to form a regional pro-US alliance against Soviet friends.


    So you see, Pakistan is expendable for both USA (and China). They're of no real value. Think about it; if Pakistan gets wiped out of the map all of a sudden; who would it benefit? Us. We'd walk over POK and integrate it, remove AFSPA, remove ARTICLE 370 move with national integration of the state. That would further reduce our troubles and increase our power in the region. With no direct terrorist factory in our backyard, we'd have direct competition against China. ALL our military power would be focused on Eastern sector and economy would grow at easily 4-5% faster than present rate. With lesser troubles, there would be more progress, more political clout which will result in a stronger position. Which means we will began concentrating our influence in our erstwhile territory; Southeast Asia where we have mammoth advantages: Burma, Thailand, Cambodia etc are Buddhist/Hindu countries with similar culture. Trade will boom with even military relations strengthening. This will bug China and since we won't hypothetically have a Pakistan bordering us, they will have no "distractions" for us. Do you know how much trouble we'd be for China who's USA's entwined other half now?

    Add to this our very independent and sometimes very fiercely disagreeing foreign policies in world matters, refusing to toe with US demands sometimes.

    What does all this say? A fourth pole would come on the planet in a matter of 5-8 years of a hypothetical situation like this:
    1- USA
    2- China
    3- Russia
    4- India.

    And with many countries commonly strategically friendly to both us and Russia, would mean even faster spread of influence. That would mean one moe competition.

    So how to stop competition? Show that you're supportive of them, sell them goodies for good money, and yet continue supporting what keeps them weaker and distracted.


    Bhai, it wasn't US pressure that sucked this government down. The simple reason is that this government has totally weakened our military for a full blown war. Delays, scams and robbings from our military finance has been commonplace ever since this government took to power in 2004. It only is coming to light now. The real reason why we didn't punish Pakistan is because UPA has weakened the military so badly, propping their own puppets among generals, admirals and marshals for the last 8 years that it was impossible to conduct war. Remember General Kapoor the Congress lackey in Army? He was caught in a scam as well like his political masters.

    The trend of no nonsense only changed after ACM Naik took office as the Joint Chief of Tri-Services and the Air Chief Marshal. With the arrival of General VK Singh and Admiral Verma, this not-going-to-take-nonsense-anymore attitude became stronger as Naik would not take NO for an answer from the government. He started talking openly in public media to the people bringing causes to light. It was the beginning of cracks appearing in relations between military and the government and that's when UPA's downfall started.

    During Vajpayee government, when US was much much stronger and influential than today, Pakistan was much more powerful than today and so was this same China present, we didn't back down once and that changed the way world looked at us.

    BOTTOMLINE: It was this government that caused us not to strike back in a limited fashion. Not the USA. So get pissed at UPA not at USA.
     
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    post number #11 was well written
     
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    It's common sense why they're behaving like this. ;)
     
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    Agents .:D
     
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    I agree with everything you have said except bolded part.

    After parliament attack bjp went running to usa to issue statements so as to avert war. If this is not being soft then what is ?
     
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    Failed states are the best states to support you can buy the government very cheaply including their whole military, like USA has done with Pakistan, bought the whole country for peanuts. We are also using this policy in Burma and Iran.
     
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    Please correct me , if I am wrong .

    I think , Saudi and UAE wants US to support Pakistan against India .
     
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    One cannot be like Iran all the time. They were just out of a war and didn't want to start one. I agree it was soft but at least they took care of numerous intrusions here in NE that went unreported.

    Running to US was something we used to do pre-2001 all the time and after that we stopped; simply because our economic and global political face took a huge rise.

    We gave in to US threats in 71 and called back Army from Lahore which was almost captured and would have made an EXCELLENT bargain for POK's return. We gave away 93,000 POWs which could have again become an excellent negotiation point. We could have taken over Chittagong Hill Tracts and Rangpur in Bangladesh so as to thicken the Chicken's neck area since the area between Sikkim and Bhutan was occupied by PLA gradually without Bhutan being able to do anything about it.

    All these were also softening points..but we do tend to ignore them in the face of bigger pictures that we achieved like Pakistan's dismemberment, USSR's strategic alliance etc, don't we?
     
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    Doubtful about UAE but Saudi has a sect of salafi lunatics who want this. They fantasize a life like Taliban's Afghanistan so they are active behind this. Giving grants to ISI and asking them to continue their "good work".
     
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    'N-missiles put along LoC after House attack'

    Washington: India had deployed nuclear-capable missiles on its western border and refused to budge under United States pressure to hold any talks with Pakistan after the 2001 attack on its Parliament, says former top American diplomat Condoleezza Rice.

    And what added to the tension in the White House's Situation Room in December 2001 were the sharp differences between the Pentagon and CIA about the ground realities in South Asia, she writes in her memoir 'No Higher Honor' which is set to hit the stands next week.

    "While CIA was informing the White House that India was on its way to war, the Pentagon was concluding that it was not the case," Rice, who then was National Security Adviser to President George W Bush, said.

    "We reasoned that the two wouldn't go to war with high-ranking foreigners in the region," Rice writes.

    But the situation continued to deteriorate, she said, adding that by December 23 there were reports of troop movements as well as that India was preparing to move short-range ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads to the India-Pakistan border.

    'N-missiles put along LoC after House attack' - The Times of India
     

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