Gobal Times Correspondant Was Aimed at by Indian Machine Gun

[t_co]

Tibet and East turkistan were independent nations before Chinese annexation.

Does that matter? Weren't the Kashmiris promised a referendum?

Don't be a wise guy.

Please explain how I am being a wise guy.

 

[nimo_cn]

Tibet and East turkistan were independent nations before Chinese annexation.
Don't be a wise guy.

Does that matter?

India was colonized before it won independece;

Sikkim was independent before India annexed it in 1975;

The majority of kashmiris voted to join Pakistan, nonetheless, India stole half of it and is asking more.

Now India is taking over Bhutan, Nepal and the whole South Asia.

 

[nimo_cn]

Encouraging separatism will result in a ban .

Depends on what separatism we are encouraging.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Does that matter?

India was colonized before it won independece;

Sikkim was independent before India annexed it in 1975;

The majority of kashmiris voted to join Pakistan, nonetheless, India stole half of it and is asking more.

Now India is taking over Bhutan, Nepal and the whole South Asia.

Sikkim was a part of india and joined thru a referendum being one of the
Last kingdoms
Why doesn't pakistan open immigration for kashmiris?
Kashmir was part of india before there was a pakistan an
Maybe we will get all of it back soon along with Tibet if tibetans
We're given a choice they will always choose india over china.

 

[DivineHeretic]

Actually the presence of a foreigner that too from China might have causd uneasiness for the border post, particularly since there have been reports/rumours of several Chinese infantry batallions stationed in POK. Another cause of concen might be the recent string of arrests of alleged Chinese spies near Dharamsala and Tawang, sikkim, including a woman who disguised herself as a reporter.

 

[t_co]

Actually the presence of a foreigner that too from China might have causd uneasiness for the border post, particularly since there have been reports/rumours of several Chinese infantry batallions stationed in POK. Another cause of concen might be the recent string of arrests of alleged Chinese spies near Dharamsala and Tawang, sikkim, including a woman who disguised herself as a reporter.

I'm not sure why China would station infantry battalions in Pakistani areas of the POK and then not tell India about it. If China wants to deter India from attacking Pakistan, wouldn't publicizing the deployments be better?

 

[DivineHeretic]

I'm not sure why China would station infantry battalions in Pakistani areas of the POK and then not tell India about it. If China wants to deter India from attacking Pakistan, wouldn't publicizing the deployments be better?

Well there are some soldiers form the PLA guarding the chinese construction activity in the POK, while it is not sure as to the objective of the rest of the force. These reports have corroborated by the international media as well as the CIA,pentagon,The MI of IA.

The reason they may not be stating this is that they donot want to turn India to the US camp just yet.Not to mention putting your own soldiers in a disputed land according to the UN while sitting in the P5 is not something easy to explain.

 

[Dovah]

'Aimed at by a machine gunner'. Beats 'run over by a tank' any day.

 

[t_co]

Well there are some soldiers form the PLA guarding the chinese construction activity in the POK, while it is not sure as to the objective of the rest of the force. These reports have corroborated by the international media as well as the CIA,pentagon,The MI of IA.

The reason they may not be stating this is that they donot want to turn India to the US camp just yet.Not to mention putting your own soldiers in a disputed land according to the UN while sitting in the P5 is not something easy to explain.

Ah, got it. It seems they're in Kashmir to build a road that leads from Aksai all the way down to Gwadar.

Would be nice if they got a railroad and oil pipeline going, since that would completely bypass the IOR for shipments from the Persian Gulf.

If I was Indian, I would even encourage such a move by China, since that would remove one of the key reasons to build up a Chinese naval presence in India's backyard.

 

[DivineHeretic]

Ah its not as simple as that. Having critical esential supplies going through POK would make China a defacto player as far in the Indo-Pak kashmir issue, something we wont tolerate. Another thing is that it legitimises pak claim over the area, not acceptable to us. In any case you will have to come to IOR one day in the same way we will have to go to west Pacific.BTW we are going way off topic

 

[t_co]

Ah its not as simple as that. Having critical esential supplies going through POK would make China a defacto player as far in the Indo-Pak kashmir issue, something we wont tolerate. Another thing is that it legitimises pak claim over the area, not acceptable to us. In any case you will have to come to IOR one day in the same way we will have to go to west Pacific.

Got it. Yeah, I don't think China should offer a clear opinion on Kashmir one way or another, not until India and Pakistan can solve the issue between themselves. Any premature perspectives would simply be bad diplomacy.

BTW we are going way off topic

Lol fair enough. I just want to offer one final point though--if there is one thing China would like from Pakistan and India, it would be a stable, independent Pakistan that lets it transport oil from Gwadar to China without threat of terrorism, and a stable, prosperous India not aligned with the United States and that can guarantee the safety of Chinese shipping in the IOR. A naval base at Gwadar would be nice to have but not a strategic necessity if India becomes dependent on Middle Eastern oil as well, since that means China can have India keep order in the Middle East much in the same way that it currently uses America for that purpose. China has no interests in the region otherwise.

 

[DivineHeretic]

Actually in a few years the biggest source of chinese oiland more importantly gas imports will be the Russian far east and Central Asia and not the Midfdle east, so the IOR would be only important for other non essential shipping. Africa and its resources is another matter though.

 

[t_co]

Actually in a few years the biggest source of chinese oiland more importantly gas imports will be the Russian far east and Central Asia and not the Midfdle east, so the IOR would be only important for other non essential shipping. Africa and its resources is another matter though.

Well, that, plus China has more total trade with the EU than it does with the United States, and nearly 80% of that cargo transits through the Suez Canal and IOR.

Part of the reason China is doing anti-piracy deployments near Somalia is because the ships that get hijacked there often have Chinese goods aboard them.

 

[Sam2012]

Becuase they are all poor muslims as relatives, friends and families, they have common cultural ties and common language.
it is easier for them to get stuff from India rather than mount to 6000 meter high to seek help from spotty PLA stations located hundreds KM away from them in no mans land? is it so hard for you to comprehend?

Oh my god im touched by ur love and compassion for the the muslims , what about those muslims who are in xinjiang province why ur 3rd gender army kills them ?

 

[Sam2012]

Islam is the dominant religion in the Kashmir Valley

xinjiang province is also dominated by islam religion free them first , don't play this double standard dirty tricks

 

[Sam2012]

The only way Kashmir & Arunachal pradesh is going out of India is all out war , U chinese & ur pathetic step brother pakistan have to fight & win

till then bottom line remains the same India administers Almost 60-65% of Kashmir & whole of Arunachal pradesh only this u guys can do is cry like infant in forum not more than that

 

[t_co]

xinjiang province is also dominated by islam religion free them first , don't play this double standard dirty tricks

Again, I (personally) don't think the main issue in Kashmir is a religious one; it's that the circumstances of the partition were pretty questionable and neither Jinnah nor Nehru really valued local opinion in disputed areas above getting more territory for their respective countries. Also, Britain's divisive tactics between Indian religions during the postwar era deserve some share of blame, too. Britain was not entirely happy to see India break away as a single secular republic; they would have liked India to fragment into a network of princely states and local theocracies wracked by communal violence, so that Britain could retain a role as an "offshore balancer".

 

[Sam2012]

Again, I (personally) don't think the main issue in Kashmir is a religious one; it's that the circumstances of the partition were pretty questionable and neither Jinnah nor Nehru really valued local opinion in disputed areas above getting more territory for their respective countries. Also, Britain's divisive tactics between Indian religions during the postwar era deserve some share of blame, too. Britain was not entirely happy to see India break away as a single secular republic; they would have liked India to fragment into a network of princely states and local theocracies wracked by communal violence, so that Britain could retain a role as an "offshore balancer".

You got is absolutely right , no one in their right frame of mind will disagree with you :thumb:

But people like , Yijiuliuer ↑ should be sent for schooling first or they will just troll like kid here

 

[Bhadra]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2013-01/07/c_124196369_2.htm

According to Xinhua,

Quote from the news report:

In a 2-hour drive from Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan-controlled Kashmir to where the exchanging of fire occurred, what "Global Times" reporter see along the road are all Pakistan army bunkers hidden in the dense bushes by the road side.Our reporter observed an Indian check point located across the border with a pair of binoculars from the position of the Palestinian side.Less than three minutes, the other side immediately poured out a large number of officers and armed soldiers, and looked back at us with their binoculars, one indian machine gunner aimed its weapon at our reporters. More distant, two truck carrying the Indian armed border guards quickly approaching, the Indian Army also informed the Pakistan check point through a dedicated telephone line: if they are not getting an explanation of foerigners' presence right away,they will shut off the gate and terminate the shuttle bus, these shuttle bus runs only once a week th between the two countires.

Only aimed.... not shot ????

A sort of tragedy... if these guys have right to make an issue out of it, the soldier on border has the right to shoot a Chinese man on Pakistan side of LoC approaching to cross the border post. Was the outpost informed in advance that a Chinese would be part of the team? if not, why not? Washington post or Shanghai post - a Chinese is a Chinese.

 

[Bhadra]

Again, I (personally) don't think the main issue in Kashmir is a religious one; it's that the circumstances of the partition were pretty questionable and neither Jinnah nor Nehru really valued local opinion in disputed areas above getting more territory for their respective countries. Also, Britain's divisive tactics between Indian religions during the postwar era deserve some share of blame, too. Britain was not entirely happy to see India break away as a single secular republic; they would have liked India to fragment into a network of princely states and local theocracies wracked by communal violence, so that Britain could retain a role as an "offshore balancer".

Then you do not know the reality. The Maharaja of Kashmir had acceeded to Indian Union then why Pakistan invaded it? Would Pakistan still invade it if it was totally a Hindu state? Why did not Pakistan invade Junagarh which was totally a Hindu state?

The wrong notions of religion is what keeps Pakistanies bugged.... and valley folks bogged....