dna exclusive: Hindi-speaking Chinese troops intrude into India again,

[Vishwarupa]

A little over two weeks ago, Chinese troops intruded into the same areas in the Leh-Ladakh sector that had sparked off tensions in April and threatened the locals in Hindi. The troops even broke the high-resolution cameras that the Indian Army had set up in the area a month ago.

While the army headquarters is tight-lipped about the incident, the broken camera equipment was returned to an Indian Army patrol at a flag meeting on July 3 in Chusul area following furious negotiations between the two sides.

The incident took place on June 17 when a Chinese patrol intruded into the Indian side and dismantled the cameras set up in Chumar. Sources in the security establishment said the cameras had been put up after the Indian Army dismantled some of its structures following the resolution of the stand-off in April. While the army dismantled the tin sheds it had set up, it quietly set up high-resolution cameras to monitor any Chinese movement on their side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

The Chinese patrol was proficient in Hindi and threatened locals, asking them to vacate the area, claiming it to be their own. The incident was reported to the government by Indian intelligence agencies and confirmed by the Indo-Tibetan Border Police. It was, however, kept under wraps as the government did not want another international controversy while it was also battling the Uttarakhand floods.

Ironically, this flare up took place even as Union defence minister AK Antony was scheduled to travel to China for a bilateral visit this month.
Indian officials feel the repeated incursions are a result of an internal tussle between the Chinese PLA (People's Liberation Army) and PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy).

"There is a subtle power struggle going on within the Chinese leadership. This has resulted in the Chinese becoming aggressive in the South China Sea and the Leh-Ladakh sector, with leaders using the incidents to prove their supremacy in the party hierarchy," a senior government analyst told dna.

There is also a major difference of perception between Delhi and Beijing on where the LAC is. "The Chinese perception is very different from ours. So, every time they intrude, they insist it is their territory while we claim it is ours," the analyst said.

The Indian Army has stopped patrolling the Chumar sector as part of a bilateral deal between Delhi and Beijing. However, the June 17 incident shows that the Chinese continue to be as aggressive as ever.
dna exclusive: Hindi-speaking Chinese troops intrude into India again, break security cameras - India - DNA

 

[Ray]

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Not to worry.

Last time the clever man, Salman, said it was an acne.

Now, he will go to the other extreme of the body and say it is mere hemorrhoid!

And Digvijay Singh will come out that it is merely a communal trick!

What a circus we experience at the hands of our so called leaders!

 

[pmaitra]

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DNA clueless again!

Chumar area is not where the earlier flare up happened.

In any event, I think it is about time India sent out a patrol party and dismantle some of PLA erections. That tower in Demchok would be a good start. This incident also tells us how difficult it is to monitor every part of the LAC, and how the PLA will contest any unguarded portion.

 

[mikhail]

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come on its time we raise another Strike Corp based on Ladakh region which will be used to a good effect to capture the chini infrastructure in the Aksai Chin region in case of a border conflict.a two pronged attack on the Tibetian Autonomous region from Ladakh and Sikkim/Arunachal Pradesh will definitely push the PLA on back foot in case of a future war.whats your take on this @Ray sir?

 

[Ray]

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The audacious intrusion into the Depsang Bulge, a table-top plateau, threatens to cut off India's access to some 750 sq km area in northern Ladakh: an area roughly half the size of Delhi. The face-off site is just about 35km south of the strategic Karakoram Pass, which is at the tri-junction of China-Pakistan-India borders, and overlooks the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro Ridge to the west and the Indian observation post in the Chumar sector to the east.....

But China is insisting on the demolition of India's observation post at Chumar as a pre-condition for de-escalation. .....

The Chinese, in fact, have frequently tried to "immobilize'' the surveillance cameras positioned at the Chumar post by cutting wires.....

Chinese incursion 19km, but 750 sq km at stake for India - Times Of India

 

[Ray]

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come on its time we raise another Strike Corp based on Ladakh region which will be used to a good effect to capture the chini infrastructure in the Aksai Chin region in case of a border conflict.a two pronged attack on the Tibetian Autonomous region from Ladakh and Sikkim/Arunachal Pradesh will definitely push the PLA on back foot in case of a future war.whats your take on this @Ray sir?

Idea is good.

But then chicken hearted people cannot raise anything!

And since the economy and rupee is a tailspin thanks to the Delhi Durbar, the national security will have to remain cold and impotent.

 

[hit&run]

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I have stopped commenting on such News, good riddance for Chinese lurkers. Having said that, punch on rouge PLA's jaw form Indian army is now long due.

 

[TrueSpirit]

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DNA clueless again! Chumar area is not where the earlier flare up happened.

Right. But, this sector has been contentious & "happening" (multiple incursions) in recent times.

In any event, I think it is about time India sent out a patrol party and dismantle some of PLA erections.

Can't say for sure about Western sector (of Indo-China border) but in the Eastern sector, IA does this to the PLA raised temporary structures on a routine basis There are some activities like effacing CPC/PLA symbols from stones etc. & inculcating confidence in alarmed locals.

But when it comes to face-to-face confrontation, it is mostly human-chains from Indian side to appeal to PLA not to adhere to in-your-face transgression & trespassing. You know about "human-chain" concept, right ? Expecting a more aggressive stance under the present circumstances would be asking too much..

 

[Ray]

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Right. But, this sector has been contentious & "happening" (multiple incursions) in recent times.

Chumar is a part of the intrusion.

 

[rock127]

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Not to worry.

Last time the clever man, Salman, said it was an acne.

Now, he will go to the other extreme of the body and say it is mere hemorrhoid!

And Digvijay Singh will come out that it is merely a communal trick!

What a circus we experience at the hands of our so called leaders!

This DoggyVijay or PigVijay has become threat to national security.He needs 1000 lashes in public for talking crap on just anything.

 

[Dinesh_Kumar]

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Indian officials feel the repeated incursions are a result of an internal tussle between the Chinese PLA (People's Liberation Army) and PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy).

This is an important point used by MEA officials off the record in the past , and I wish to make clear.

It has been used as soothing balm for local consumption (read you and me)

Commonsense: When 2 local drunkards fight, will they attack a Police Station full of bad tempered cops?

No ! Obviously they wont. Even when not in their full senses, they know what the outcome would be.

So, even if I accept pathetic excuse of this, how are Chinese so sure they can get away with such activity?

Even we are wary of indulging in overt provocative action on border with Paki and even Bangladesh.We do, but we know retaliation will come. Keeps a check on both sides.

Why are we wary?

> Agressive commander in area
> Nasty, well armed squads of soldiers in area, ready and willing to take the fight to us, led by dynamic officers.
> Tradition of retaliation "Eye for an Eye" type attitude.
> Retroactive support from Brigade Commander -> Division Commander -> Corps Commander -> Group Army Command ->COAS if a real firefight happens
> Good support from respective MEA officials in case shit hits the fan.

Why happening to us?

To answer, add "No" to all above points, and you get the answer.

Should we always be inspired by small non-nuclear powers like Vietnam, Taiwan and Philippines to grow a spine?

 

[Payeng]

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the repeated incursions are a result of an internal tussle between the Chinese PLA (People's Liberation Army) and PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy).

"There is a subtle power struggle going on within the Chinese leadership. This has resulted in the Chinese becoming aggressive in the South China Sea and the Leh-Ladakh sector, with leaders using the incidents to prove their supremacy in the party hierarchy,"

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

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What is the GoI doing?

This is like the 1962 situation again and yet the GoI is sending its Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Defence to the enemy country and is misleading the people of India saying that India is not bowing down to the Chinese.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

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It is a clear cut provocation by the chinese and the way the GoI has reacted to the previous incursion and now, shows that Indian Armed forces are being betrayed and are being downplayed by the GoI itself. We are too soft in the case of Pakistan also. Still the pakistanis are violating the cease fire repeatedly and we are doing nothing more than saying it in the media. The inaction of GoI in both cases, pakistan and China, is spoiling the name of the Indian Armed Forces and makes me wonder if the Army is really weak and all our neighbours are doing all sorts of nonsense as and when they like to do. Is this INDIA or some other country being ruled by chinese on one side and pakistan on the other. Shame on GoI. What have they been elected for? Just to bow down and say that the matter is not a big issue? Our Army and defences forces are loosing their lives and still we don't act upon pakistan and on the other hand the chinese are entering and exiting India according to their own will and also are claiming Indian territory as their own and still the GoI says we are not bowing to our enemies and we have the capability to defend ourselves. This was the same thing told by nehru during the 1962 war, he was saying that the Indian Armed forces are winning on all fronts, but it was the opposite. We were just sitting ducks, because of the lack of management and cowardness shown by the GoI. Shame on GoI as it is permitting the chinese and the pakis to dictate the terms to INDIA.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

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What is the GoI doing?

Getting anal probes.

 

[Dovah]

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Getting anal probes.

That would an EEG for them.

 

[Coalmine]

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Indian officials feel the repeated incursions are a result of an internal tussle between the Chinese PLA (People's Liberation Army) and PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy).

This is an important point used by MEA officials off the record in the past , and I wish to make clear.

It has been used as soothing balm for local consumption (read you and me)

Commonsense: When 2 local drunkards fight, will they attack a Police Station full of bad tempered cops?

No ! Obviously they wont. Even when not in their full senses, they know what the outcome would be.

So, even if I accept pathetic excuse of this, how are Chinese so sure they can get away with such activity?

Even we are wary of indulging in overt provocative action on border with Paki and even Bangladesh.We do, but we know retaliation will come. Keeps a check on both sides.

Why are we wary?

> Agressive commander in area
> Nasty, well armed squads of soldiers in area, ready and willing to take the fight to us, led by dynamic officers.
> Tradition of retaliation "Eye for an Eye" type attitude.
> Retroactive support from Brigade Commander -> Division Commander -> Corps Commander -> Group Army Command ->COAS if a real firefight happens
> Good support from respective MEA officials in case shit hits the fan.

Why happening to us?

To answer, add "No" to all above points, and you get the answer.

Should we always be inspired by small non-nuclear powers like Vietnam, Taiwan and Philippines to grow a spine?

Whatever may be the reason why should we give ----.

Chinese troops enter Chumar again, vandalise Indian posts"]Chinese troops enter Chumar again, vandalise Indian posts

Chinese troops enter Chumar again, vandalise Indian posts - The Times of India

LEH: In another incursion, Chinese troops intruded into the Chumar sector in Ladakh — the same area which had sparked off tensions in April — and smashed some bunkers besides cutting wires of cameras installed at the border post.

Official sources said on Tuesday the intrusion took place on June 17 when the troops of China's People's Liberation Army(PLA) entered Indian territory in the Chumar sector and started vandalising the observation bunkers, besides cutting the wires which overlook the Chinese territory.

Chumar, located 300 km from here, has always been an area of discomfort for the Chinese troops as this is the only area along the Sino-Indian border where they do not have any direct access to the Line of Actual Control(LAC).

The 21-day face-off between the two sides in the remote Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) sector on April 15 was triggered by construction of an observation tower in Chumar division which had to be subsequently dismantled by the Army on May 5 before the crisis was defused.

The Chinese side, according to the minutes of the flag meetings in the last week of March this year, had been objecting to the construction of the watch tower along the LAC in Chumar.

After dismantling the observation post and defence bunkers, Army had installed cameras to monitor movement of Chinese troops along the LAC, a step which had irked the PLA.

Chumar, a remote village on Ladakh-Himachal Pradesh border, is being claimed by China as its own territory. The Chinese side also reportedly resorted to helicopter incursions almost every year.

Last year, it dropped some of the soldiers of PLA in this region and dismantled the makeshift storage tents of the Army and ITBP.

This area is not accessible from the Chinese side whereas the Indian side has a road almost to the last point on which the Army can carry loads upto nine tonnes.

 

[hit&run]

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Chinese Army took away Indian camera - The Hindu

Seeking to play down the incident, the sources were not inclined to describe it as an "incursion'' in the disputed territory where perceptions about the LAC differ.

 

[EXPERT]

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i think they are not getting their noodles properly, thats why they are aggresive.

 

[bennedose]

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I hope that the camera they stole was a Chinese camera. Cheap and ineffective and programmed to beam pictures to Beijing. They might even return the camera when they realize their mistake. The Indian government is known to have ordered Chinese made "Huawei" routers and communication equipment for its top secret networks. I did not believe that the government could be that stupid, but this was confirmed by a friend of mine - a senior executive in an IT company consulted by the GoI when they discovered that the Chinese were reading all emails and communications.

Now if the Chinese are sharing that information with th ISI, then we can understand why GoI is scared of Hafeez Saeed and Dawood who will know everything about money stashed away by top government officials. That is why we have Dogvijay Singh saying "Saeedji" and "Dawoodji"