Churches In England Are Being Converted To Bars

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    Churches In England Are Being Converted To Bars

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    At one church, the only thing being worshipped is beer -- at another, gleaming cars are on sale. Increasingly, it seems, a different kind of conversion is taking place at Britain's churches.

    Thanks to a steady decline in religion and the high costs of maintaining these historic buildings, a rising number of churches are being given new lives that may have horrified their founders.

    Behind the imposing red-brick facade of one Presbyterian church in north London's upmarket Muswell Hill district, throbbing pop music and barrels of Guinness are the first clues that there's a new congregation.The soaring Gothic arches remain but instead of an altar there's a huge bar, while tables, stools and slot-machines stand in place of the pews. Built in 1902, the church's beautiful exterior remains unchanged. Inside, it's an Irish pub.

    "If it was a church, there would be only two or three people here -- but on Fridays and Saturdays, it's packed," said John Earl, a construction worker, as he nursed a pint.

    "It is weird," he admitted. "I feel I kind of have to respect it. I don't mind being drunk here, but I don't want people carving the pillars."

    At another table, 33-year-old Yamini pronounced the pub "beautiful". "It has a different look from the other pubs," she said as she sipped red wine with a friend. "And it's being used instead of being abandoned." Religious worship has been declining in Britain for years, and church authorities are increasingly forced to rethink the management of their huge -- and very expensive -- estates.Policy varies between denominations. The dominant Church of England has strict rules on conversions meaning a building can only be sold if a committee approves its future use, after a lengthy process.

    "Churches can't be used for sex shops, gambling premises and things like that," explained Jeremy Tipping, manager of the Church of England's Closed Churches Team.But a wide range of other church occupants have been given the nod -- a climbing centre in the city of Manchester; a circus school in Bristol, where trapezes hang from the rafters; a supermarket, a library, a Sikh temple.

    "A church always looks like a church, no matter what it's used for," Tipping told AFP."When it has a tower and a spire and arched windows, the association will always be with the Church of England -- so they are very, very sensitive that any future use must be one which is appropriate."

    Irreligious conversions?

    But tough regulations have not stopped conversions from throwing up a few embarrassments for the Church of England.A display of "erotic" art at one church-turned-gallery prompted an outcry amongst some parishioners, Tipping recalled.Nor is the Catholic Church immune to such predicaments -- its rules are less strict, leaving decisions about conversions up to local dioceses rather than a national committee.In the northwestern city of Liverpool, St Peter's Church now houses a restaurant which hosts evenings celebrating that festival of all things ungodly, Halloween.

    "It's deeply inappropriate and offensive for lots of Catholics," said Sophie Andreae, a committee vice-chairwoman at the Catholic Bishops' Conference of England and Wales.

    The Church of England knocked down nearly 500 churches between 1969 and 2011, while more than 1,000 were de-consecrated and sold or rented out -- bringing in a much-needed £47 million.

    The most common fate of ex-churches is to be transformed into homes -- sometimes luxury ones, such as the ultra-modern seven-bedroom London house, complete with swimming pool, which went on the market for £50 million last year. Rachel Chudley poses for a photo in the living room of her apartment, which has been converted from a church in east London, on January 16, 2014

    Rachel Chudley, a 28-year-old interior designer, bought a flat in an east London church four years ago. It's far more modest than the £50 million mansion, but lacks none of the charm, with stone faces carved into the frames of her spectacular arched windows.

    "We're right up at the top of the church, at the steeple," she said as she took AFP on a guided tour. "My family has joked and said, 'Rachel is closer to heaven now!'" Chudley, an agnostic, admitted that she sometimes wonders if it's disrespectful to live in a church.

    "Sometimes I feel a bit bad because I think, 'Oh God, am I being sacrilegious?" she laughed.But she admits she has taken "some liberties" with the place. A sculpture of a pierced penis sits in pride of place in her living room.
     
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    Thank God :lol: Brits r awaken ...... i hope India also follow
     
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    What next in Britain !!!
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    Oh !

    There was time there when Bible could only be read in Churches. Only rich and noblemen could possess Bible and commoner could only hear or read it on the day of Sabbath (Sunday) in Churches. There were very strict rules for observance of Sunday such as no one could hang their cloths for drying in their backyard. Every thing would be shut down for the day of Sabbath. That all was done to facilitate / force people to attend the Church and read / hear the gospels of Bible.

    Today people can freely drink the blood of Jesus there. What a change !!

    "Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you". "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day".
     
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    mattster Respected Member Senior Member

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    For Indians a bar is a seedy establishment......Indians especially Hindus and Muslims for various religious or other reasons look down upon drinking.

    I was working for a company here in the US that had a some employees based in India who came down for some training. One evening the whole group went out for dinner and the young Tamil guy sitting next to me was so worried when the pictures were being taken, that he moved my beer glass so that anyone seeing the picture would not think that he was drinking. This stuff is cultural.

    But in the UK, and most of Europe; a neighborhood pub is a place to go to after work for a pint - its a place to gather and socialize with members of your community and be among friends. Its as good and wholesome a place to be as any in the neighborhood.
    There is nothing seedy about a pub.....its not a huge dance club or anything with scantily clad women shaking their stuff.

    So whats wrong in turning a church that is not used into a pub. After all, Hindus build shrines to various Hindu deities on trees, on roadsides, in caves, etc.
     
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    Bedford and gravesend gurudwara are made by converting unusable football field in uk:lol:

    Some town hall building are rented for marriage parties.
     
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    British gora has no time for religion, they are busy in boozing,choosing,f,king,flagging,clubbing,swearing
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    And past slaves have ample time to breed their women :lol:

    Soon Churches would disappear and Mosques would appear.:thumb:
     
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    Rock bhai, I heard most of the priests in English Churches are from Kerala. So they are outsourcing even this to Indians.
     
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    A lot of churches are being converted to mosques too.
     
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    This is bad .Why turn churches into bars,they should be turned into orphanages or poor houses.If they have so much money and don`t care about churches then they should donate the building materials of churches to countries like Somalia,Ethiopia where there is a lack of building materials like concrete,bricks etc.Just shows how inconsiderate people are.
     
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    A pakistani walks in to a bar and starts shouting "allah, allah, allah, allah, allah".....everyone freaks out and brace themselves thinking it's a suicide bomber....."allah, allah, allah, allah, alav a ca ca coke".

    Stuttering cu*t.

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    On topic. Each year the number of atheists are growing, so not surprised Churches are being converted into apartments, bars, other religions converting them to Temples, etc.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Holds good to the Quote, "Going to the pub or the church is exactly the same; it is quick fix."


    One quick fix takes over another, atleast the result of the pub is almost instant in making you forget your problems for a while. I would say its a step up.
     
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    Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Proverbs 31:6
     
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    They are converting to become Tantrics!
     

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