Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers Advanced mis

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3827&start=840
    https://www.usni.org/forthemedia/ChineseKillWeapon.asp


    Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

    Advanced missile poses substantial new threat for U.S. Navy


    U. S. Naval Institute
    March 31, 2009


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    With tensions already rising due to the Chinese navy becoming more aggressive in asserting its territorial claims in the South China Sea, the U.S. Navy seems to have yet another reason to be deeply concerned.

    After years of conjecture, details have begun to emerge of a "kill weapon" developed by the Chinese to target and destroy U.S. aircraft carriers.

    First posted on a Chinese blog viewed as credible by military analysts and then translated by the naval affairs blog Information Dissemination, a recent report provides a description of an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) that can strike carriers and other U.S. vessels at a range of 2000km.

    The range of the modified Dong Feng 21 missile is significant in that it covers the areas that are likely hot zones for future confrontations between U.S. and Chinese surface forces.

    The size of the missile enables it to carry a warhead big enough to inflict significant damage on a large vessel, providing the Chinese the capability of destroying a U.S. supercarrier in one strike.

    Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.

    Supporting the missile is a network of satellites, radar and unmanned aerial vehicles that can locate U.S. ships and then guide the weapon, enabling it to hit moving targets.

    ASBM is said to be a modified DF-21
    The ASBM is said to be a modified DF-21

    While the ASBM has been a topic of discussion within national defense circles for quite some time, the fact that information is now coming from Chinese sources indicates that the weapon system is operational. The Chinese rarely mention weapons projects unless they are well beyond the test stages.

    If operational as is believed, the system marks the first time a ballistic missile has been successfully developed to attack vessels at sea. Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.

    Along with the Chinese naval build-up, U.S. Navy officials appear to view the development of the anti-ship ballistic missile as a tangible threat.

    After spending the last decade placing an emphasis on building a fleet that could operate in shallow waters near coastlines, the U.S. Navy seems to have quickly changed its strategy over the past several months to focus on improving the capabilities of its deep sea fleet and developing anti-ballistic defenses.

    As analyst Raymond Pritchett notes in a post on the U.S. Naval Institute blog:

    "The Navy's reaction is telling, because it essentially equals a radical change in direction based on information that has created a panic inside the bubble. For a major military service to panic due to a new weapon system, clearly a mission kill weapon system, either suggests the threat is legitimate or the leadership of the Navy is legitimately unqualified. There really aren't many gray spaces in evaluating the reaction by the Navy…the data tends to support the legitimacy of the threat."

    In recent years, China has been expanding its navy to presumably better exert itself in disputed maritime regions. A recent show of strength in early March led to a confrontation with an unarmed U.S. ship in international waters.

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  3. pyromaniac

    pyromaniac Founding Member

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    Now the question is, how much of this is misinformation and self hype from the Chinese. It seems clear that China is going to make a play for Taiwan soon...I wonder what the consequences of such a move would be. Would Obama and the US brass finally realize what a potent and aggressive threat the Chinese pose??
     
  4. EnlightenedMonk

    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Generally the Chinese use another system as a "reference" (original) before they develop a system of their own (rip off)....

    If there exists no such system which can be used as a reference copy, we can be quite sure that they haven't developed any such system.
     
  5. LETHALFORCE

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    China's 'Carrier Killer'

    http://www.bermanpost.com/2009/03/chinas-carrier-killer.html

    China's 'Carrier Killer'
    The US is taking seriously a threat posed by Chinese efforts to turn an ICBM into a aircraft carrier killer. Assuming the targeting could be worked out, which is a large assumption, an ICBM with a conventional warhead could be effective against large ships. The high speed and angle would make it difficult to stop. It is the same difficulty we are facing in setting up an anti-ballistic missile shield. The missiles that we are aiming to stop are ones tipped with WMDs, primarily nuclear weapons. Once we have an effective defense against one we will have an effective defense against the other because they are the same thing just with different war heads.

    Of course, the Chinese would not have to worry as much about the targeting of these ship killers if they were nuclear tipped. That would just speed up the process after all. The first problem is that the US would not be able to tell if the missile was nuclear tipped until it reached the ship. The US could have already responded to the perceived threat. Also, what do they think we would do if they were to successfully sink a carrier and kill 5,000 Americans? The back and four from that could easily turn nuclear.
     
  6. Pintu

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    How can Dong Feng - 21 be an ICBM, when range itself suggests that it is a MRBM, it can be a US ploy to hype up this issue, I may be wrong in my assumption.
     
  7. LETHALFORCE

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    It's not a ploy when USA is the target, either way it is a ballistic missile that will destroy USA's supercarrier is one shot.
     
  8. Pintu

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    Then we will sure see the USA comes up with a missile like this kind. As there will be no defensive shield against this Missile , they will go on offensive mode. If in case of a War , I think the USA will depend upon their N-Subs and opts for Missile strike on the suspected missile sites which launches this kind of missile.
     
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    I think we should also work on this type of missile modifying a IRBM, like you said may turn a war from conventional to nuclear very fast and in that case I am sure China must have made some preparations to fight a nuclear war against USA. China has proven they can evade USA radar with their subs, they can destroy US satellites and now they can destroy a US supercarrier so it looks like they can beat US in the conventional sense.
     
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    LF, Agni -III can be a viable option, however can we use Shourya, since it is highly maneuverable and goes in high speed ?
     
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    good choices also I was thinking prithvi could even fit this bill perfectly.
     
  12. Pintu

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    But one thing the USA will hold its advantage, the traditional Military Hardware. They have far better Fighter Aircrafts , MBTs, vis -a- vis Chinese , Long Renge N-Capable Stealth Bomber, and the killer drones, and N-Subs I think the China is lagging far behind in that , and moreover they posses them in large number and can overwhelm the Chinese and plus a highly advanced ASAT technology , if we take the Russian scientist's point of view then it will be very bad for China, since very start of the War the USA will definitely first strike on Chinese navigational satellites, if they are successful on crashing their defunct satellites on the Chinese navigational satellites , then on the Missile front all will be over for China.
     
  13. Payeng

    Payeng Daku Mongol Singh

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    I was about to mention the same point Pintu, destroy the navigation satellites first and chinese AShBM go blind.
     
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    Right, since Prithvi is easily available and it was DRDO's first active Missile, India know this Missile's head to tail thoroughly , also Brahmos Block -II can be a option. LF , can you remember in NDR, Sayar pointed out that in last ABM test a 'Dhanush' was used as a 'Dummy' Ghauri(Nodong Missile) which has a range of 1500 km,and he raised the point that it means range of Dhanush can easily be modified to that extent and since 'Dhanush' is a Naval version of 'Prithvi' it is possible for same in the case of 'Prthivi'.
     
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    Thank you Payeng, it is the fact , and we all know this, the key of winning this war will be decided in space in contrary to ground, as we all had seen earlier.
     
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    This is true Pintu but USA likes to fight many battles from supercarriers. Destroy a supercarrier and you destroy 100's of billion of weapons and planes it would definetly cripple USA's naval war strategy but it would also be met by nuclear strikes that would annhilate China.
     
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    But, can't the point defence weapons like Barak take out an incoming missile ??? What about Barak-NG ???
     
  19. Dark Sorrow

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    We are forgeting some technical aspect like CEP. A B.M. tends have a CEP around 100m to 2000m against fixed targets like cities and various installation. Super Carriers have a speed of about 30 knots so targeting them will be more difficult to get a direct hit. Satiliate based guidence is not possible as USN can easily jam the signals. One must not foget that even JDAM has a CEP of 10m to 50m. There is no chance of nuclear warhead as it would cause massive US retaliation. We are also forgetting about RIM-161 installed on Agesis class destroyers. In south china sea USAF can operate with air-borne laser. It will not be long time before which USN will have ship-borne laser missile defence.
    Time will only show effectiveness of such system.
    Personally I like this new mode of attack for a anti-ship missile at would cause problem to CIWS.
     
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    The problem would not be with the missile but with radar which is going to track the incoming missile. Every radar has is own limitation.
     
  21. LETHALFORCE

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    a lot of systems are designed for upper atmosphere not low flying ballistic missiles.
     

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