China to give the J-10B combat aircraft to Pakistan

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  1. ashdoc

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    ashdoc Senior Member Senior Member

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    The aircraft will probably be dropped into the begging bowl of the beggar-pakistanis for free , considering the fact that Pakstan has no money .
     
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    Just as Pakistanis started playing hardball with the U.S diplomats....
    Its all coordinated, China has finally entered the Great Game, let's see if it can hang on long enough.
     
  5. LETHALFORCE

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    It normally takes 4-8 weeks to produce one modern warplane, a squadron of J-10 given to Pakistan so fast makes one wonder the quality of this plane?? Maybe we should thank China for this?
     
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    wow a "made in china" f-16
    be afraid be very afraid
    :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:
     
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    Iam sorry and unfortunately to say ,in this great game of India-China-Ameerica=pakistan will be the winner
     
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    These chinese fighters given to Pakistan are deadlier than what is there in IAF or USAF inventory.

    Because these J10s will be on suicide mission. All capability they need out of fighter is to take off. They'll be crashing themselves into Indian territory causing destruction. Fighters will be cheap & numbers will be vast as well. China is working on something like Nazi fighter production line. Hundreds of units out flying within a week.

    Bottomline is, we need huge number of SAM squadrons scattered all over border & strategic location. And IAF is working on that as we speak.

    And sometime back people were wondering about IAF's sudden fascination to order variety of SAMs in large numbers! :hat:
     
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    no, paid for with american taxpayer money
     
  10. LETHALFORCE

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    J-10's RCS will make it a sitting duck. This is all 1980's 3rd gen reject tech at best.

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Sinocanard.html

    Development of the J-10 commenced in 1988
     
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    Chengdu J-10 Factsheet :: Air-Attack.com

    Chengdu J-10



    The J-10 is a fourth-generation multi-role fighter, produced by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Co. (CAC). The secretive program started in the late '80s, and is reportedly based on the Israeli Lavi fighter, Israels attempt to develop its own F-16. Pakistan also provided F-16 technology, which was given to the PLAAF as part of a secret military trade deal between Pakistan and China.



    A two-seat J-10B fighter-trainer version first flew in December 2003, and in early 2006 Jane's reported that a more advanced version of the J-10 is planned. Russian sources told Jane's the new J-10 version is called the Super-10, and has a more powerful engine, thrust-vector control, stronger airframe and passive phased-array radar.

    Dispite the fact that the program got off with a slow start, and is based on old, foreign technology, many experts now believe the J-10 has the potential of becoming one of the most significant fighters in the next few decades.

    Development

    The program began in 1986 with the goal of developing a fighter that could counter the Russian MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters. The break-up of the Soviet Union and changing requirements shifted development towards a multirole fighter to replace the Shenyang J-6 (MiG-19) and Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21), which were the backbone of China's Army Air Force.



    The Lavi based airframe had to be significantly modified, because the Chinese could not use the P&W 1120 engine, due to the US arms export ban to China. The larger and much heavier Russian AL-31 engine was then installed, but it requires 40 per cent more air flow.
    In the early '90s a wind tunnel mock-up was build, which reveiled several aerodynamical problems at low speed flight, and a lower than expected angle of attack at subsonic speeds. These problems, the requirement for better air-to-ground capabilties, forced the J-10 team to make more design changes.

    First flight of a J-10 prototype reportedly took place somewhere in 1996, but a fatal accident in 1997 further delayed the program. A faulty fly-by-wire system is believed to be the cause of the incident. It took two years before the J-10 had a successful test flight.

    After the modified prototype made its succesful test flight, more prototypes were build, by 1999 four were used for flight testing and two for static ground tests. A year later, the flight test program accumulated over 140 flight hours and nine prototypes were in use.

    Production of the J-10 began in mid-2002, with the first batch of 50 J-10 fighters. Between 2002 and 2004, 54 AL-31F engines were delivered.
    A second batch of engines was ordered in late 2005, at a total cost of $300 million. The newer AL-31FN M1 engines for this batch are believed to be developed especially for the new "Super-10" version of the J-10.
    China has also been working on their own version of the AL-31 engine, called the WS10A.

    Systems

    Prototypes of the J-10 that have been seen were armed with the PL-9 air-to-air missile, a Chinese copy of the Israeli Rafael Python 3.
    It is unclear what kind of radar the J-10 is equipped with, possibilities are the Israeli-made Elbit ELM-2021 radar system, which can track multiple aerial targets simultaneously, an indigenous KLJ-3 pulse-Doppler fire-control radar, or a Russian Phazotron Zhemchoung radar, which has both an air-to-air and air-to-ground targeting capability.

    On April 12, 2006 the Pakistani cabinet approved the purchase of at least 36 J-10s under the designation "FC-10".
     
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    j-10 from the LAVI design is made for a 1,300kg engine (see above)

    Chinese are using AL-31 engine which is 300kg heavier or 750lb heavier and of course this does not affect performance?

    AL-31F /FN aircraft turbofan engine | Russian Arms, Military Technology, Defense Analysis of Russian Military Forces

    WS-10 engine if developed , weight is 200kg heavier or 500lb again this does not affect performance

    with no improvement in thrust/weight ratio. Adding 500-700bs with no thrust improvement from original LAVI design after 30 years is an achievement.
     
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    When I heard about it last year, the J-10 was supposed to be the J-10A version and not J10B. Heck the J-10B haven't even been flight tested.

    PAF will take deliveries of the J-10A alone as the J-10B production line will first cater to PLAAF and PLAN and may take years, while the J-10A production has ended for PLAAF will soon end for PLAN and can start for PAF.

    But who knows, perhaps PAF is willing to wait for the new version to coincide with the MRCA inductions in India.
     
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    You sure about that figure? If yes what's the annual production rate of SU-30Mki
     
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    annual production rate of MKI is 28 per year .
     
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    Its J10A upgraded, version. I saw some Chinese members saying in the other defense forum that they had reliable source of that info.
     
  17. sayareakd

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    Good for Pakistan, finally they will have 4th generation fighter a part from F16. BTW China wont mind us exporting some military hardware to some Asian countries.
     
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    The annual production of MKIs in India is 14 a year. The 28 per year figure is for MKIs coming in from Russia and India combined. We had ordered 40 MKIs from Russia a long time back.
     
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    J-10B would be one of the more inferior planes in Pakistani inventories as compared to F-16 Block30s and Block52s, hence going by your logic it does not make sense for them to "buy" a squadron, but considering it is basically charity they ain't gonna refuse anyways.
     
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    we wouldn't mind,we will be very appreciated if you can persuade Japan,Vietnam and Taiwan purchasing more indian "LCA" weaponry,Sino-India relationship might even get better because of these deals,and i think indian should feel the same way since most you firmly believe that china's weaponry is far inferior compare to western's
     
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  21. sayareakd

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    well i am not talking about LCA only, plus i am not sure if all of them are interested, but some of them may like things we are making.
     

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