China to award prize to rival Nobel

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  1. kickok1975

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    BEIJING – Only three weeks after the idea was first publicly floated, China has cobbled together its own peace prize and plans to award it Thursday — the day before the Nobel Committee honors an imprisoned Chinese dissident in a move that has enraged Beijing.

    Since Liu Xiaobo's selection, China has vilified the 54-year-old democracy advocate, called the choice an effort by the West to contain its rise, disparaged his supporters as "clowns," and launched a campaign to persuade countries not to attend Friday's ceremony in Oslo. The government is also preventing Liu — who is serving an 11-year sentence for co-authoring a bold appeal for political reforms in the Communist country — and his family members from attending.

    Amid the flurry of action came a commentary published on Nov. 17 in a Communist Party-approved tabloid that suggested China create its own award — the "Confucius Peace Prize" — to counter the choice of Liu.

    Three weeks later, The Associated Press has learned, China is doing just that.
    Named after the famed philosopher, the new prize was created to "interpret the viewpoints of peace of (the) Chinese (people)," the awards committee said in a statement it released to the AP on Tuesday.

    Awards committee chairman Tan Changliu said his group was not an official government body, but acknowledged that it worked closely with the Ministry of Culture. He declined to give specifics about the committee, when it was created and how the five judges were chosen, saying it would be disclosed later.
    The first honoree is Lien Chan, Taiwan's former vice president and the honorary chairman of its Nationalist Party, for having "built a bridge of peace between the mainland and Taiwan." A staffer in his Taipei office said she could not comment Tuesday because she knew nothing about the prize.

    Lien was chosen from among eight nominees — some of whom are regularly mentioned for, or have already won, that other peace prize: including billionaire Bill Gates, former South African President Nelson Mandela, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and the Panchen Lama, the second-highest figure in Tibetan Buddhism.

    While China regularly disparages the Dalai Lama, the religion's spiritual leader, the current Panchen Lama is a 20-year-old who was hand-picked by Beijing. The original boy named by the Dalai Lama has disappeared.

    "We should not compete, we should not confront the Nobel Prize, but we should try to set up another standard," said Liu Zhiqin, the Beijing businessman who suggested the prize in The Global Times. "The Nobel prize is not a holy thing that we cannot doubt or question. Everyone has a right to dispute whether it's right or wrong." Liu said in the phone interview that he was not involved in setting up the new awards.

    Tan, who leads the awards committee, acknowledged that the new prize, which comes with a purse of 100,000 yuan ($15,000), doesn't have international recognition: "It needs to grow gradually, and we hope people will believe the award is of global significance."

    China is not the first nation to be rankled by a Nobel Peace Prize. During Nazi Germany era, Adolf Hitler created the German National Prize for Art and Science in 1937 as a replacement for the Nobel. He had forbidden German pacifist Carl von Ossietzky from accepting his Nobel awarded in 1935.

    This year, China's clampdown against Liu and his supporters means the Nobel medal and money won't be handed out for the first time since that period. Nobel officials say the prestigious $1.4 million award can be collected only by the laureate or close family members.

    In the meantime, China is chipping away at the Nobel: It succeeded in persuading 18 other countries to boycott the upcoming ceremony, including longtime allies like Pakistan, Venezuela and Cuba as well as business partners Saudi Arabia and Iran, Nobel officials said Tuesday.

    Beijing sharpened its denunciations, with Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu accusing the Nobel committee of "orchestrating an anti-China farce by themselves."
    "We are not changing because of interference by a few clowns and we will not change our path," she said.

    But Beijing's hastily arranged efforts to provide a distraction to the Nobel ceremony are counterproductive, said Oxford University China scholar Steve Tsang.
    "The whole thing is too obviously being rushed to counter the Nobel Prize to Liu Xiaobo. People will see it for what it is. That being the case, it's not going to be very credible," he said.

    If anything, China's heavy-handed reactions in the wake of the announcement, which include putting Liu's wife and other supporters under house arrest and barring dozens of activists from traveling to Oslo, "simply give the rest of the world the impression that human rights is really in trouble in China," he said.
     
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    Chinese government recent actions are just like a furious girl screaming about being humiliated. I don’t know how much money or benefit they will reward those 18 “cooperative” countries. But this “Confucius Peace Prize” is certainly another way to waste money.

    In their eyes Chinese people’s hard earned money can be used in whatever way they want to protect their political agenda, and call it “in China’s interest”, while millions of Chinese are battling with high inflation, outrageous house price, educations and modest standard of living.
     
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    well ,it is a good idea to set up one "Confucious Award" and marginalize "nobel prize". it is a part of the plan to marginalze west dominance of global medias.

    However, such a project should advance after planed well. a harsh rolling out like now should not be reccomanded.
     
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    I completely support your idea and that award must be given to organizartions like Laskar e toiba or JUD the chinese nobel prize for social work and peace. All major rogue countries like Pakistan and N korea will be winner of your so callled Chinese Nobel prize for Rogues.
     
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    I think that this is an overreaction from China. Such a reaction from an acknowledged Global Power with the 2nd largest economy is simply not done.

    As kickoff1975 put it the reaction is very kiddish, a more dignified silence and ignoring the award function would have been a better idea. This kind of reaction just lets other people know your soft spots.
     
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    Oh yes why not... Nobel peace prize to Osama bin laden, literature to his deputy aiman al zawahiri for the great literature he circulates, for chemistry the one who makes bombs using various chemicals. I am sure there will be lots of other deserving candidates for various other awards.
     
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    China should award the 1st Confucius Prize to their Pak brothers at the ISI, their everlasting ally, and all-weather friend.
    The award should go to the ISI and hundreds of terror organizations that they have spawned and for being the world's biggest exporter of terror.

    Its always good to know that the Chinese are planning an award to rival the Nobel. Coming from China - it will be an award you can wipe your ass with.
    LMAO - this is just too funny.

    This story is a measure of just how fvcking dumb these CCP monkeys are
     
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    Rakhi sawant deserves this "Made in china" Nobel, for empowering the voice of women.
     
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    They didn't have such ideal before. They just reacted like a child and make the whole world laughing at them.

    Our government is still enjoying so called more than 100 countries and organizations support China to boycott Nobel price while thousands of countries and organizations think otherwise.
     
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    well, bold rolling-out is better than no rolling-out!
     
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    Ironic that it was Nazi Germany that did the same 75 years back. And Hitler created a prize for arts and science. History repeats itself, and lets hope China dosent shoot herself in her foot doing this.
     
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    I support that...with a few clauses of mine fulfilled :happy_2:
     
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    Our propaganda machine will never tell truth to Chinese people. They made ordinary people believe most countries support China except a few “hostile” one. They are stirring up nationalism encourage young people’s hate toward foreign force while using those gigantic money cost “achievement or event” to boost their legitimacy to continue rule China
     
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    China Peace prize????? Very Oxymoron!!
     
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    I don't think that most CHinese people are as stupid as you said and will buy CCP's propaganda.
    But I also doubt that most Chinese commons are ready to buy what you said.

    well, the only effect of CCP's propaganda is to make you believe most CHinese are brainwashed by CCP and needs the preach from "wise guys" like you. haha.

    guy, I find that you have a nature impulse to preach other Chinese and take it granted that you are wiser than other Chinese and the moral highground naturally stand by you...

    what a pity.

    CCP is stupid and take it granted that it is wiser than ordinary CHinese,so you are!
     
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    What makes you get offended, badguy? Why do you point finger to me? Is it “internal friction” a lot of our fellow people enjoying doing?

    I’m no wiser than anyone here. I just present the facts and my thoughts. Being a Chinese lived both in China and overseas for many years, I felt the differences and I have the obligation to tell the truth if I already knew it. No matter you like or not.
     
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    It is perfectly reasonable for China to have its own Prize for whatever it wants to showcase.

    It maybe out of pique or for genuine philanthropic or social reasons.

    However, it will never have the aura of a Nobel Prize.

    Bookers Prize or Pulitzer Prize, which are so prestigious, cannot be compared to the Nobel and so the Chinese Prize will not have the same aura.

    It will be just another prize and if the money given is good, will be appreciated as a good one for retirement!

    One should not decry the Chinese effort to get better all the time.
     
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    The Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China, known simply as the Propaganda Department (simplified Chinese: 中共中央宣传部; traditional Chinese: 中共中央宣傳部; pinyin: Zhōnggòng Zhōngyāng Xuānchuánbù), is an internal division of the Communist Party of China in charge of ideology-related work, as well as its propaganda system. It is not formally considered to be part of the Government of the People's Republic of China, but enforces media censorship and control in China, even though no state law explicitly gives it such authority.

    The Chinese Propaganda Department has a "direct leadership (lingdao - 领导)" role in the media control system, working with other organizations like the State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television and the General Administration of Press and Publication. Its scope is to control licensing of media outlets, and to give instructions to the media on what is and what is not to be said, especially about certain "delicate" issues, like Taiwan, Tibet, etc., that can affect state security, or the rule of the Communist Party. Its central offices are located in an unmarked building near the Zhongnanhai at 5 West Chang'an Avenue, although the department has offices throughout the country at the provincial, municipal, and county level.

    Therefore, the while the Chinese people are not stupid, it still is true that they are subjected to CCP propaganda.

    Just visit, next time you are in Beijing, Zhongnanhai at 5 West Chang'an Avenue , which is next to the forbidden city and which houses the central headquarters for the Communist Party of China and the State Council of the People's Republic of China. Do let us know what you discover. It is getting international!!

    It is not only that the Chinese people who are believing the propaganda of the CCP, even Pakistanis believe in the same! Therefore, you must commend the CCP's reach in the field of propaganda!
     
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    Badguy,

    Is it that Kickof who alone is sceptic?

    How about this:

    Here it is in Chinese:

     
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    Only three weeks after the idea was first publicly floated, China has cobbled together its own peace prize and plans to award it Thursday — the day before the Nobel Committee honors an imprisoned Chinese dissident in a move that has enraged Beijing.

    Since Liu Xiaobo's selection, China has vilified the 54-year-old democracy advocate, called the choice an effort by the West to contain its rise, disparaged his supporters as "clowns," and launched a campaign to persuade countries not to attend Friday's ceremony in Oslo. The government is also preventing Liu — who is serving an 11-year sentence for co-authoring a bold appeal for political reforms in the Communist country — and his family members from attending.

    Amid the flurry of action came a commentary published on Nov. 17 in a Communist Party-approved tabloid that suggested China create its own award — the "Confucius Peace Prize" — to counter the choice of Liu.

    Three weeks later, The Associated Press has learned, China is doing just that.

    Named after the famed philosopher, the new prize was created to "interpret the viewpoints of peace of (the) Chinese (people)," the awards committee said in a statement it released to the AP on Tuesday.

    Awards committee chairman Tan Changliu said his group was not an official government body, but acknowledged that it worked closely with the Ministry of Culture. He declined to give specifics about the committee, when it was created and how the five judges were chosen, saying it would be disclosed later.

    The first honoree is Lien Chan, Taiwan's former vice president and the honorary chairman of its Nationalist Party, for having "built a bridge of peace between the mainland and Taiwan." A staffer in his Taipei office said she could not comment Tuesday because she knew nothing about the prize.

    Lien was chosen from among eight nominees — some of whom are regularly mentioned for, or have already won, that other peace prize: including billionaire Bill Gates, former South African President Nelson Mandela, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and the Panchen Lama, the second-highest figure in Tibetan Buddhism.

    While China regularly disparages the Dalai Lama, the religion's spiritual leader, the current Panchen Lama is a 20-year-old who was hand-picked by Beijing. The original boy named by the Dalai Lama has disappeared.

    "We should not compete, we should not confront the Nobel Prize, but we should try to set up another standard," said Liu Zhiqin, the Beijing businessman who suggested the prize in The Global Times. "The Nobel prize is not a holy thing that we cannot doubt or question. Everyone has a right to dispute whether it's right or wrong." Liu said in the phone interview that he was not involved in setting up the new awards.

    Tan, who leads the awards committee, acknowledged that the new prize, which comes with a purse of 100,000 yuan ($15,000), doesn't have international recognition: "It needs to grow gradually, and we hope people will believe the award is of global significance."

    China is not the first nation to be rankled by a Nobel Peace Prize. During Nazi Germany era, Adolf Hitler created the German National Prize for Art and Science in 1937 as a replacement for the Nobel. He had forbidden German pacifist Carl von Ossietzky from accepting his Nobel awarded in 1935.

    This year, China's clampdown against Liu and his supporters means the Nobel medal and money won't be handed out for the first time since that period. Nobel officials say the prestigious $1.4 million award can be collected only by the laureate or close family members.

    In the meantime, China is chipping away at the Nobel: It succeeded in persuading 18 other countries to boycott the upcoming ceremony, including longtime allies like Pakistan, Venezuela and Cuba as well as business partners Saudi Arabia and Iran, Nobel officials said Tuesday.

    Beijing sharpened its denunciations, with Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu accusing the Nobel committee of "orchestrating an anti-China farce by themselves."

    "We are not changing because of interference by a few clowns and we will not change our path," she said.

    But Beijing's hastily arranged efforts to provide a distraction to the Nobel ceremony are counterproductive, said Oxford University China scholar Steve Tsang.

    "The whole thing is too obviously being rushed to counter the Nobel Prize to Liu Xiaobo. People will see it for what it is. That being the case, it's not going to be very credible," he said.

    If anything, China's heavy-handed reactions in the wake of the announcement, which include putting Liu's wife and other supporters under house arrest and barring dozens of activists from traveling to Oslo, "simply give the rest of the world the impression that human rights is really in trouble in China," he said.



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