China, Russia, Pak meet an ‘interference in internal issues’: Afghanistan

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.....now china-Russia & pak will fight with uncle Sam inside Afghanistan ...............


and USA will take revenge from Pakistan .......
if afganistan became the next battleground , then you think , we can afford to remain neutral.....india presently hold the highest stack in afganistan nation building.....
will india just allow it to be rained again...??
 

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if afganistan became the next battleground , then you think , we can afford to remain neutral.....india presently hold the highest stack in afganistan nation building.....
will india just allow it to be rained again...??
India is neutral ?? :pound::pound:

can we stop a proxy war between china-Russia & USA in Afghanistan ?? :rofl::rofl:

India is giving full support to Afghan Govt .......................India is training their officers , we are giving them weapons & Aid .

India is not neutral . :)
 

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China gonna beg Indians for not giving access(through peninsula)satisfy us giving up arunachal claims and not support pakis in kashmir.
Why would India accept just by with PRC giving up Arunachal claims and not support Pakistan in Kashmir.
We have a missive territorial dispute with respect to Tibet and Aksai Chin.

Anyway I see a lot of wishful thinking.
 

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Why would India accept just by with PRC giving up Arunachal claims and not support Pakistan in Kashmir.
We have a missive territorial dispute with respect to Tibet and Aksai Chin.

Anyway I see a lot of wishful thinking.
Yup ur right

But my main point is China has to approach for India(it's a sign ) cooperation ... to continue along with Russia against usa in Afghanistan.

If China don't approach then consider Russians will be back stabbed against USA. Why ? They need subcontinent to be sealed against usa covert operations which is an tempting opportunity to finger chinese and pak (for India )

Similar scenario, if Indians are kept at bay from Russian support (through china). Indians are left to depend on Americans in any Chinese aggrassion (non availability of Russian help). So ball is in Americans court in that case for weapons supply. Americans will use that opportunity brag India in to its nato gang. If we say no! . Then we are on our own with 2 front war.(scary isn't it Russians en Americans turning there eyes away to supply weapons)

In Either cases wedge between Indians and Russians are well managed and blinded with there individual commitment's.

Only USA en Chinese are left at advantage to reap some gains against there enemies.

Only way to help ourselves is help Russians with Intel through backdoor and be in touch with each other against any treachery and negotiate about weapons supply or a pact in case of Chinese aggrassion.
 

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Love of Pakistan is a fatal attraction. All aspiring superpowers fell in love with Pakistan to achieve their geo political objectives only to see the poisoned chalice behind it. America has already gone through it and is now bankrupt. China is going through this phase but will soon get a hangover by which time CPC will be finished as a political force.
remember then , Molotov - Rebbintrop PacT....
 

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How Russia May Approach the Taliban and Afghanistan in 2017
A revealing interview with Putin’s top envoy in Afghanistan suggests continued rapprochement with the Taliban.

Second, if you followed Afghanistan last year, you may recall reports that Russia was slowly and cautiously ramping up engagement with the Taliban. (Samuel Ramani took a closer look at this last week.) In late 2015, there were reports that Moscow was even sharing limited intelligence with the armed insurgent group to counter their common adversary: the Islamic State. Kabulov drops the pretense of engagement with the Taliban around shared interests and delves into territory that is unlike anything I’ve seen in a statement by a Russian official on Afghanistan over the past year.

Specifically, Kabulov paints the Taliban has a benign and fractured organization, with “radical” and more mainstream elements. The latter point is certainly true, but only as a technical distinction. For instance, Kabulov says the Haqqani Network are out of bounds for cooperation, but that the remainder of the more mainstream Taliban are fair game considering their limited ambitions in fighting “crusaders.” Kabulov adds: “My short answer is that today the Taliban is predominately a local force,” ostensibly suggesting that cooperation with the group won’t lead to blowback for Russia. For Moscow, the Islamic State is now the primary blowback concern. (Casey Michel outlined Kabulov’s exaggerations regarding the extent of the Islamic State threat in the country for The Diplomat last year.)
What goes unsaid in the interview is equally interesting. For instance, Kabulov doesn’t directly address Russia’s plans for its relationship with Pakistan, which Moscow has long appreciated as a source of support for the Taliban and other groups threatening the writ of the Western-backed government in Kabul. Russian rapprochement with Pakistan — long a U.S. client state — has shifted in recent years, beginning with the lifting of the unilateral arms embargo against Islamabad in 2014. While that move was ostensibly a practical one in the aftermath of Moscow’s international isolation following the annexation of Crimea, cooperation has expanded. The two countries held their first bilateral military exercise in late-2016, to the concern of Russia’s longtime partner India.
 
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Afghan nationalist will spit on all three. They haven't yet forgot Russian invasion. The same Pakistan that brought war and destruction with the help of USA is again selling Afghanistan to Russians and China with a boogeyman of ISIS.

Those who have read about Taliban know at one stage Taliban became so independent that they started showing middle finger to Pakistanis. Pakistanis being Pakistanis endured humiliation because they could still project strategic depth or were able to fake it to Indians. They were so desperate to project this strategic depth that they used their own army regulars in a semi-ambiguous manner to wheel Afghan civil war.

They spit and lick back after 9/11 need not a mention.
 

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Talibanis do not recognise the Durand line I think.
 

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Afghan nationalist will spit on all three. They haven't yet forgot Russian invasion. The same Pakistan that brought war and destruction with the help of USA is again selling Afghanistan to Russians and China with a boogeyman of ISIS.

Those who have read about Taliban know at one stage Taliban became so independent that they started showing middle finger to Pakistanis. Pakistanis being Pakistanis endured humiliation because they could still project strategic depth or were able to fake it to Indians. They were so desperate to project this strategic depth that they used their own army regulars in a semi-ambiguous manner to wheel Afghan civil war.

They spit and lick back after 9/11 need not a mention.
actually , presently talibans looking for a greater afganistan that includes the kyber pashton province of pakistan....


Talibanis do not recognise the Durand line I think.
 

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actually , presently talibans looking for a greater afganistan that includes the kyber pashton province of pakistan....
Actually their view is that there simply should be no boundary among muslim brothers. They aren't looking for greater Afghanistan, they want to erase the boundary altogether.
 

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Talibanis do not recognise the Durand line I think.
Durand Line is a dead issue, even the pakhtoons on our side don't want to unite with their Afghani cousins. Afghanistan is more divided today than ever and without unity any claim on our territory is meaningless.
 

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Durand Line is a dead issue, even the pakhtoons on our side don't want to unite with their Afghani cousins. Afghanistan is more divided today than ever and without unity any claim on our territory is meaningless.
even Pakistaan is dead , soon China will capture it ........Pakistan banega Chinikistaan :bounce::bounce::bounce:
 

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Afghan Taliban Delegation Visits China at Beijing’s Behest

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by EDWIN MORA7 Mar 2017

Express Tribune: “The visit was part of the relations of the political office with European countries such as Norway, Germany, France, Britain as well as neighboring and regional countries. But these relations are focused on bringing about peace in Afghanistan and resolving the issue through negotiations.”

“Being a major world power, China is a main stakeholder and wants to play its vital role for peace and stability in Afghanistan,” added another anonymous Taliban source.

The meeting came days after Deng Xijun, China’s special envoy to Afghanistan, met with senior Afghan leaders, including U.S.-backed President Ashraf Ghani in the Afghan capital of Kabul.

Moreover, the Express Tribune notes that the Taliban jihadists visited China days after a meeting of senior diplomats from China, Pakistan, and Russia held a meeting in Moscow that notably excluded the United States and supported lifting sanctions imposed on the terrorist group’s leaders.

The Taliban’s political office in Qatar welcomed the outcome of the Moscow meeting, saying the major stakeholders “understood that the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is a political and military force.”


At the request of the Afghan government, China officially began to provide military aid to Afghanistan last year as former U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration reduced America’s military presence in the country amid rapidly deteriorating security conditions.

A recent article by the Military Times noted that Chinese ground troops are operating inside Afghanistan and the Pentagon is okay with their presence in the war-ravaged country where U.S.-led troops have been fighting the Taliban since October 2001.

The Express Tribune reports:

The Taliban Qatar [political] office chief Sher Abbas Stanikazai led a five-member delegation for talks with the Chinese officials…Regional experts are of the view that China has been actively trying to promote peace and stability in Afghanistan, particularly in view of the vacuum that has emerged in the country and the region due to the failure of American policy and subsequent drift and confusion in the US Afghan policy.

China’s autonomous region of Xinjiang, home to the country’s largest concentration of Muslim Uighurs, borders Afghanistan.

Uighurs fighting with the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), a Taliban rival that has established a presence in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, recently vowed to attack China.

Citing the Pakistani Senate’s Committee on Defense Chairman Mushahid Hussain Sayed, the Express Tribune highlights Chinese objectives in Afghanistan, including preventing “any possible spillover into China of the lingering instability due to the Afghan civil war, particularly on the sensitive Xinjiang province of China that shares a border with Afghanistan.”

Gen. John Nicholson, the top commander of American and NATO troops in Afghanistan, described the 15-year-old-plus war as a stalemate, suggesting that President Donald Trump’s administration may increase the number of U.S. troops in the country and that its allies could once more expand their footprint.

The U.S. military dethroned the ruthless Taliban regime in 2001 and has been fighting the terrorists since. At least 2,247 U.S. troops have been killed in the ongoing, primarily at the hands of the Taliban.

Furthermore, there have been at least 20,196 American military injury incidents since the conflict started. The majority of U.S. military casualties, including both injuries and fatalities, took place under former President Obama’s watch.

During Obama’s presidency, the Taliban captured more territory in Afghanistan than during any other time since its removal from power in 2001.

As part of the Quadrilateral Coordination Group (QCG), China has long been working with the United States, Afghanistan, and its regional ally Pakistan in trying to persuade the Taliban to participate in face-to-face peace negotiations.

However, the efforts have failed. The Taliban refuses to negotiate because it insists it is winning the war against the U.S.-led coalition and its Afghan partners.

China has “encouraged the Taliban during our contacts with them to join the peace process,” Afghan President Ghani’s office said after the meeting with the Chinese envoy last month.

Xijun, the Chinese envoy to Afghanistan, added that “China has always conveyed to the Taliban during meetings that it recognizes the Afghan government and the president and that talks are the only option for them.”
 

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these fire of taliban jihadists will merge into xinjiang province , isis is allready eager to do jihad there

http://time.com/4416585/isis-islamic-state-china-xinjiang-uighur-xi-jinping/

Uighur Extremists Joining ISIS Poses a Security and Economic Headache for China’s Xi Jinping
Charlie Campbell / Beijing
Jul 21, 2016
visited a mosque in China’s western Ningxia province. The leader of the officially atheist Chinese Communist Party (CCP) praised the local Muslim community’s rich cultural contribution and efforts alleviating poverty. "Religions in our country, the endemic ones and those from abroad, have become deeply embedded in the Chinese civilization, whose history covers more than 5,000 years," Xi said in Ningxia’s capital Yinchuan, reports the state-backed China Daily newspaper.

However, Xi added a warning, urging community leaders to “resist illegal religious infiltration and carry forward the patriotic tradition.” His words were especially pertinent. According to a new report published Wednesday, 114 Uighur Muslims have joined the ranks of the Islamic State (ISIS) from China’s westernmost Xinjiang province. Policies enacted by Beijing “could be a push factor driving people to leave the country and look elsewhere for a sense of ‘belonging,’” said the Washington, D.C.–based New America Foundation, regarding its analysis of leaked registration documents of 3,500 foreign ISIS recruits.

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The report would seem to confirm what has long been suspected — those slick ISIS recruitment videos have struck a cord in Xinjiang. Uighur militants have historically been drawn to holy wars, previously in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and now Syria, Iraq and Turkey. Uighur extremists have also used bloody tactics to agitate for greater autonomy domestically. Following a spate of bus bombings and attempted plane hijackings in the 1990s and 2000s, in October 2013 a blazing car was driven into Beijing’s iconic Tiananmen Square — the birthplace of the People’s Republic — in an attack that killed five and injured dozens. On March 1, 2014, eight knife-wielding assailants ran amok at Kunming's train station in Yunnan province, leaving 29 civilians and 4 perpetrators dead.

The causes of this violence are complex. The 10 million-strong Uighur people are ethnically, culturally and geographically closer to the Turkic peoples of Central Asia than to China’s dominant Han ethnic group. Their underdeveloped and sparsely populated homeland of Xinjiang is rich in natural resources — containing China’s largest deposits of oil, natural gas and coal — hence has attracted millions of Han Chinese settlers in recent years. While Beijing claims this influx has raised overall living standards, Uighurs, particularly in south Xinjiang, complain of marginalization and even persecution. Thousands have fled the region over recent years. While only a tiny number are spurred to terrorism, “the reservoir of people who are disenfranchised and alienated from the Chinese state is increasing,” says Professor Michael Clarke, an expert on the Uighurs at Australia’s National Security College.

Read More: A Brief History of the Uighurs

The mosque where Xi spoke on Tuesday was not one frequented by Uighurs. Ningxia is home to 2.4 million Hui Muslims, according to official statistics, a distinct Muslim group often described as the “Muslim Han,” as their culture and language is essentially Chinese (though scholars continue to debate whether they constitute a distinct ethnicity). Historically, the Hui suffered their share of bloodletting and even pogroms, though today are generally well assimilated and prosperous.

However, there is a danger in conflating the Hui and Uighur experiences, and thus possible remedies of their grievances. While the Hui are happy to practice a form of “Islam with Chinese characteristics,” as some put it, Uighurs contend their traditional culture has been eroded, and intolerable constraints placed on the practicing their faith. Restrictions have been placed on using the Uighur language in educational institutions and even on growing beards. “The Chinese state hasn’t helped itself,” says Clarke. “There’s a whole range of factors that can push elements of the Uighur population towards greater radicalization.”

For Xi, the Uighur problem is twofold. Dozens of radicalized and battle-hardened jihadists returning from the Middle East has obvious security implications. In addition, it jeopardizes the Xi administration’s keynote “One Belt, One Road” strategy — a revival of the iconic land and maritime Silk Road, which date back to Marco Polo’s expeditions of the 13th century, by forging a trade and infrastructure network spanning East Asia to Western Europe. Without secure and interconnected Western border, the initiative looks stillborn.

By ignoring cultural grievances and, like the Hui, trying to solve the Uighur situation through purely economic and security means, the Xi administration will likely be concocting an economic as well as security headache down the line. “The CCP seems to have made the decision that just throwing more money, investment and economic development will solve the problem,” adds Clarke, “But this misses a core driver of ethnic disputes and identity politics more broadly.”
 

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Don't know why Indian govt show too much importance to Terrorists supporter Chinese. What was more pathetic was the Ass kissing by Modi when that Fat Communist Pig Xi Jinpig came to Gujrat
 

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Durand Line is a dead issue, even the pakhtoons on our side don't want to unite with their Afghani cousins. Afghanistan is more divided today than ever and without unity any claim on our territory is meaningless.

Thanks in no part to a perticuler agency called Inter Service Intelligence because if afghanistan was strong like the late 60's early 70's then Islamic Republic of Pakistan would have been crying even more
 

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Don't know why Indian govt show too much importance to Terrorists supporter Chinese. What was more pathetic was the Ass kissing by Modi when that Fat Communist Pig Xi Jinpig came to Gujrat
modi's team even registered a weibo account in his name, Chinese equivalent of tweet, posting greetings once in a while, which now owns 170 thousands followers. its latest post is greeting about Chinese spring festival.
 

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modi's team even registered a weibo account in his name, Chinese equivalent of tweet, posting greetings once in a while, which now owns 170 thousands followers. its latest post is greeting about Chinese spring festival.

I am not talking about Modi engaging with ordinary Chinese citizen. Our issue is only with with Chinese regime which supports Terrorists who killed Indians.
 

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China, Russia, Pakistan joining hands on Afghan problem: Report
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China Pakistan and Russia are inching closer to form an alliance to stabilise war-torn Afghanistan
, where the three countries see the emergence of Islamic State terror group as a common threat, a media report today said.
The strategic calculation are changing after competing for well over two decades. Islamabad and Moscow are all set to become part of a possible alliance in a dramatic turnaround in their otherwise frosty relationship for decades.
What has compelled Pakistan and Russia to join hands is apprehensions that the United States may not be interested in bringing stability to Afghanistan for its own strategic interests, The Express Tribune reported.
"These fears have now opened up the possibility of an alliance between Pakistan, Russia and China in an unprecedented development that will shape the future of this volatile region," according to the report.

It quoted military and Foreign Office sources as saying that the three countries were inching closer to formalising their relationship with an aim to bring regional stability, particularly seeking a political solution to the Afghan war.

The sources said Pakistan as well as China and Russia reached a conclusion that the US wanted to prolong the conflict in Afghanistan. This situation, officials pointed out, has left Pakistan with no other option but to seek a regional solution by involving Russia, China and Iran.
Moscow already hosted two meetings involving Pakistani and Chinese officials to discuss the Afghanistan problem. Another such gathering with a larger audience is scheduled later this month. The objective of these meetings is to evolve a regional consensus for the lingering conflict in Afghanistan.
The biggest fear among the regional countries, including China and Russia, is the emergence of IS in Afghanistan. There were reports that thousands of fighters were being sent to Afghanistan from Syria, a development, Pakistan, Russia and China believe is aimed at further destabilising the war-torn country.
These countries suspect the US may be using IS as a proxy to further its interests, particularly to counter China and a resurgent Russia.
For Pakistan, this is dangerous scenario as prolonged instability in Afghanistan will continue to cast shadow on its progress and stability. "Due to these compulsions Pakistan has now reached out to Russia and other regional countries," commented defence analyst Lt Gen (retd) Amjad Shoaib.
Gen Shoaib, who is closely connected with the military establishment, endorsed the assessment that the US was not ready to bring stability to Afghanistan. He also claimed that Pakistan has already conveyed to the Trump Administration that Russia and China were coming in a big way in Afghanistan if the United States does not take steps to clear the mess.
In a trilateral meeting in Moscow in December, Russia and China agreed to a flexible approach to remove certain Taliban figures from the UN sanctions lists as part of efforts to foster a peaceful dialogue between Kabul and the Taliban.
However, the US was not ready to accept it, something officials here said showed Washington's lack of interest in seeking a peace deal. In fact, Taliban chief Mullah Akhtar Mansoor, before being killed in a US drone strike in Pakistan's restive Balochistan province in May last year, was pushing for this demand in order to show sceptics within his insurgent group the benefits of seeking the peace process.
The Afghan problem has brought Pakistan and Russia close in terms of strategic and defence cooperation. Last week, the Pakistan army took a high-powered Russian military delegation to the volatile North Waziristan Agency to give them a firsthand account of the country's anti-terror gains.
The development is part of a series of steps taken to open a new chapter in Pakistan-Russia ties that have long been held hostage to the politics of 'Cold War' era.
The rapprochement began in 2011 when Pakistan decided to broaden its foreign policy options after its ties with the US deteriorated due to a secret raid at Abottabad to kill Osama bin Laden in May that year and later the killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers in NATO airstrikes along the Afghan border.
"This is a realistic approach and is good for our interests," said Gen Shoaib, who added that increased cooperation with Russia did not necessarily mean that ties between Pakistan and the US lost their utility.

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Pakistan is yet again trying to be the pimp at the cost of ruining its neighbor Afghanistan.
What surprises me, is that we were not in the meeting despite having put in almost $3 billion in that country and losing scores of Indians to terrorist attacks.

Distancing ourselves from Russia is not a good move.

Ideally this should have been a meeting between India, Russia and China.
 

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