Can history repeat itself in Tibet ?

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  1. Singh

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    The rumblings from the Tibetan areas of China continue. The more the Chinese suppress, the more the Tibetans protest. The more the Chinese demonise His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the more the Tibetans respect him. The more the Chinese flaunt the economic progress made by the Tibetan areas under the leadership of the Communist Party of China (CPC), the more the Tibetans long for His Holiness.

    2. The Chinese recently took the CPC appointed Panchen Lama, who normally lives in Beijing under heavy security, on his annual one month, CPC-sponsored exposure to the Tibetan people. He camped in Lhasa under the protection of the PLA and was taken round the various monasteries where the influence of His Holiness the Dalai Lama continues to be strong.

    3. The Chinese hopes that the Tibetan people would start venerating the CPC-sponsored Panchen Lama were belied. His presence in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) and his visits to the monasteries were tom-tomed by the Party and Government-controlled media. There was hardly any excitement in the Tibetan areas.

    4. News of the sermons and travels of His Holiness the Dalai Lama outside Tibet in his political and religious exile evoke greater interest and greater excitement among the Tibetans in the TAR, Qinghai, Gansu, Sichuan and Yunnan than the sermons and activities of the Panchen Lama.

    5. In desperation, the Chinese have been trying to prevent news of the sermons and activities of His Holiness from reaching the Tibetans in China. They have stopped allowing the re-entry of Tibetans who go to Nepal and India to attend the religious meetings of His Holiness. They are trying to find out how news about the happenings in the Tibetan areas travel to the outside world almost the same day and is broadcast by Radio Free Asia, the radio station funded by the US State Department.

    6.The Internet has been censored and blocked. Mobile telephone services have been vigorously controlled. The Tibetans have been denied access to social media networks. Despite this, news continues to trickle out and trickle in. There is a two-way trickle which the Chinese intelligence agencies have not been able to identify and stop.

    7. The chain of self-immolations continues---mostly in the Tibetan areas of Sichuan, but increasingly in Qinghai and Gansu too. The total number of fatal self-immolations since March of last year crossed 50 last week.The Chinese do not know how to stop it. Their intelligence agencies have not been able to profile Tibetans who are likely to commit self-immolation.

    8. There has been no flow of intelligence from the Tibetan community about plans for self-immolation. Arrests and severe punishments to Tibetan bystanders who do not stop the self-immolation attempts have not worked.

    9. There have been more raids and more arrests. The Kirti monastery of Sichuan, where the self-immolations started last year, was raided once again last week and the monk inmates subjected to intimidatory questioning. The Zilkar monastery in the Qinghai province was raided on September 1 and four of the monks there were taken away for custodial interrogation.

    10. Reliable sources report that one question the Chinese security officials have been posing to every Tibetan interrogated by them is: How does the news travel to the Dalai Lama? How does the news travel from the Dalai Lama?

    11. The Chinese are confused. Despite their denying the Tibetans easy access to modern means of communication, news continues to travel and travel fast. There have been reports of large-scale preventive arrests in the Lhasa region. The trouble has till now been confined to the Tibetan areas of Sichuan, Qinghai and Gansu. The Tibetan areas of Sichuan continue to be the epicentre of the wave of self-immolations.

    12. Though the TAR has not yet been affected in a big way by the self-immolation movement, it is becoming the epi-centre of the Gandhian type satyagraha practised by the Lakhar movement, which is a Tibetan self-identity movement which tells the people: Be Tibetan, Eat Tibetan, Dress Tibetan, Speak Tibetan, Live Tibetan, venerate His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

    13. The recent arrests in the Lhasa region were meant to stifle the Lhakar movement. The Chinese have not succeeded.

    14. There is a protest chakra going on in the Tibetan areas of China. The more the protests, the more the suppression. The more the suppression, the more the protests.

    15. It is a new type of protest movement, the like of which Tibet has not seen before. Self-motivated, self-induced, self-driven with no identifiable leaders and organisational structure behind it. It is kept sustained not by anger but by the pride of the Tibetans in themselves, their culture, their religion, their traditions, their heritage, their guru.

    16. Despite their most brutal suppression, the Chinese have not been able to destroy the pride and hopes that continue to drive the movement. Today, the odds seem heavily against the Tibetans.

    17. So they did against Mahatma Gandhi in the 1920s and against Nelson Mandela in the 1970s and the early 1980s. And then the odds turned in their favour. Brutal suppression failed to prevail.

    18. Can history repeat itself in the Tibetan areas of China? ( 5-9-12)

    Raman's strategic analysis: CAN HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF IN TIBET?
     
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    Doubtful. China has settled Han Chinese in Tibet in large numbers.
     
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    When the youth non-lama tibetans spend more time in supermarkets than their temple, you know that history will not repeat any more!
     
  5. Ray

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    The influence of Dalai Lama will still haunt as they move in Malls.

    Having bought what they want and seen the films that they want, the incense stick aroma with the thought of the Dalai (pictures not being allowed) will still haunt them!

    Incense sticks should be banned!
     
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    Hu and Wen created more problems than achievements, says Communist Party mouthpiece editor

    With Beijing preparing for its once-a-decade leadership change, a senior editor of Study Times, a mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, has launched a scathing attack on the country’s outgoing leaders, accusing them of creating “more problems than achievements.”

    Deng Yuwen, a deputy editor of the newspaper, in a rare assessment of the decade-long reign of President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao, blamed the mounting problems that China is facing on the “lack of real political reform.”

    The South China Morning Post, in a report, quoted Deng as saying that Hu and particularly Wen often talked about democracy and the need for political reform, “but they seldom explained what they actually meant or set forth any timetable.”

    “The biggest and the most pressing issue for the party is … the crisis over the legitimacy of its rule due to its failure to address the widening wealth gap and worsening corruption, to carry out effective social integration and to meet the public demands for greater democracy,” the report cited Deng as saying.

    “The essence of democracy is how to restrict government power; that’s the most important reason why China needs democracy so badly. Over-concentration of government power without checks and balances is the root cause of so many social problems.”

    Deng’s outburst follows the recent suicide of Xu Huaiqian, 44, editor-in-chief for the Dadi (Earth) supplement of the CCP’s mouthpiece, People's Daily.

    According to reports, he jumped to his death on August 22.

    In an interview he gave before his death, Xu spoke about his inability to express freely and the fear for his family’s security if he leaves “the system.”

    "My pain is I dare to think, but I don't dare to speak out; if I dare to speak out, I don't dare to write it down, and if I dare to write it down, there is no place to publish.

    "I admire those freelance writers, but I can't leave the system because if I do that my family will suffer."

    In an article entitled "Let Death Be the Witness", he also wrote: "Death is a heavy word, but in China, in many cases, without deaths society will not sit up and pay attention, and problems won't be resolved."

    The New York based Committee to Protect Journalists in their 2011 annual report named China, for the 12th consecutive year, as one of the most repressive regimes for free and fair journalism.

    The Foreign Correspondents’ Club of China, in a survey last year, had found that ninety-four percent of the journalists who responded felt the work environment in China had deteriorated, while seventy percent had experienced harassment or violence of some kind. A whopping 99% had said that reporting conditions in China do not meet international standards.

    Hu and Wen created more problems than achievements, says Communist Party mouthpiece editor - www.phayul.com
     
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    Protesters turn the heat on China’s Defence Minister

    Tibetan activists kept up their pressure on the visiting Chinese Defence Minister with the third straight day of protests in the Indian capital New Delhi.

    Earlier today, Tibetan activists staged a noisy protest in front of the historical Qutub Minar, where General Liang Guanglie was scheduled to visit.

    Activists of the Student’s for a Free Tibet, India unfurled Tibetan national flags and raised slogans calling for global intervention in the unfolding Tibet crisis.

    One of the protesters even climbed a tall pole, grabbing attention of everyone present there.

    Dorjee Tsetan, National Director of SFT, India, who also took part in the protest, said that India being the largest democracy in the world and the land of Mahatma Gandhi has a “moral obligation to stand in solidarity with the Tibetan people's nonviolent struggle for freedom.”

    “Now is a critical time for India to add her voice to the multilateral pressure on China to stop the crackdown in Tibet. Tibet’s resolution can only bring a true solution to the current Sino-India matter,” Tsetan said.

    The group had earlier launched an online petition addressed to the Indian External Affairs Minister S.M.Krishna urging him to make a strong and clear statement condemning China's crackdown in Tibet and calling for a multilateral forum to resolve the crisis.

    In the Indian capital, the three Tibetan indefinite hunger strikers, who were arrested for the second consecutive night yesterday were taken to Tihar jail at midnight.

    They were lodged in the jail along with 30 odd Tibetan boys and girls who were arrested yesterday evening for carrying out a protest against General Liang near one of his meeting venues.

    Tibetan Youth Congress in a release expressed disappointment at the heavy-handed actions of the Indian authorities and said that the hunger strikers have vowed to continue their fast in the jail in “solidarity with the self-immolators inside Tibet and to appeal for immediate international intervention” in Tibet.

    “Our protests and means of expression for our cause has always been determinedly peaceful and non-violent but the turn of events today and the nature of the response and treatment from Delhi Police has deeply disappointed and hurt us,” TYC said in the release.

    General Liang, who is scheduled to retire as China’s Defence Minister next month, will remain in India till September 7.

    Protesters turn the heat on China’s Defence Minister - www.phayul.com
     
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    Bora Monastery monk arrested on unknown charges

    In continuing crackdown and arbitrary arrests of Tibetans in Tibet, a monk from the Bora Monastery in Sangchu, eastern Tibet has been arrested by Chinese security personnel for unknown reasons.

    Kalsang Gyatso, 28, was arrested from a public place in the nearby town of Tsoe at around 8:30 p.m. (local time) on August 28.

    In reports received by Phayul, Kalsang Gyatso and a few of his friends had taken a day’s break from the summer retreat (Tib:Yarney) to finish some chores in the town when he was picked up.

    Sonam, an exiled Tibetan living in south India, citing contacts in the region, said that Gyatso was forcibly taken away in a police vehicle even as his friends tried to rescue him.

    “Gyatso’s friends tried to pull him away from the police and even stood in front of the police vehicle but he was taken away,” Sonam said.

    The arrested monk’s family members went to inquire about him with local authorities the next day, but they were unable to secure any information.

    Gyatso’s well being and whereabouts remain currently unknown.

    It is being widely suspected that Gyatso was arrested in connection with anti-China protests that shook the region earlier this year.

    On March 20, more than 100 monks from the Bora Monastery had marched towards the township-level government buildings carrying Tibetan flags and pictures of the Dalai Lama calling for freedom in Tibet and the return of the Dalai Lama.

    The next day, Chinese security officers entered the Monastery at around 2 am (local time) and arrested 40 monks, prompting a gathering of a large number of monks calling for the immediate release of fellow monks.

    The local security officials, fearing more protests, released all 40 monks a few hours later, but told the monks to make “personal statements” admitting that they have made a “mistake” which they will not repeat in future.

    Bora monastery has faced heavy restrictions since the 2008 uprisings in Tibet. The restrictions were tightened after Losar, Tibetan New Year this year when monks in the monastery displayed a picture of the Dalai Lama.

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    Zilkar Monastery tense following arrest of five monks


    In growing cases of arbitrary detention of Tibetans by Chinese authorities, five more monks in eastern Tibet have been detained on unknown charges.

    In reports received by Phayul, five monks of the Nyitso Zilkar Monastery in Tridu region of eastern Tibet were detained on September 1 from the monastery in a surprise raid by a large number of Chinese security personnel.

    Lobsang Sangyal, a monk in south India, with contacts in the region identified the arrested monks as Sonam Sherab, 45, Lobsang Jinpa, 30, Tsultrim Kalsang, 25, Ngawang Monlam, 30, and Sonam Yignyen, 44.

    “Monastery officials were informed by the local Chinese authorities that they will be visiting the Zilkar Monastery regarding certain government houses built after the earthquake that hit in the region in 2009,” Sangyal told Phayul. “But instead they arrived with a large number of armed security personnel and raided the monastery.”

    Sangyal said power supply to the Monastery was cut off and electronic items of the monks were confiscated.

    “The quarters of the five arrested monks were raided and their computers and CD’s were confiscated,” the same source said. “When other monks of the Monastery pleaded for the release of those arrested, they were severely beaten as well.”

    The conditions and whereabouts of the arrested monks remain unknown.

    Sangyal added that the Zilkar Monastery is currently under strict surveillance.

    Earlier this year in February, three Zilkar monks Sonam Gyewa, Lobsang Samten, and Lobsang Nyima were arrested on suspected charges of their roles in a massive protest that rocked the region.


    Thousands of Tibetans in Tridu area had led a peaceful protest, carrying banners demanding the return of His Holiness the Dalai Lama from exile and respect for Tibetan lives, coinciding with the global solidarity vigil on February 8, called by the elected leader of the Tibetan people, Kalon Tripa Dr Lobsang Sangay.

    Around 400 monks from the Zilkar monastery had led the protest march to Dza Toe town, which later swelled to over a thousand.

    The monks unfurled banners, written in blue and red ink, symbolic of the two protector deities of Tibet, calling for the Dalai Lama’s return, release of Tibetan political prisoners including the XIth Panchen Lama and respect for Tibetan lives.

    Again in June, more than 800 Chinese security personnel were deployed in and around the Zilkar Monastery and Zatoe town to block local Tibetans from paying their last respects to Tenzin Khedup, who set himself ablaze with Ngawang Norphel, on June 20 calling for Tibet’s independence and long-life of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

    However, monks from the Zilkar Monastery went against the official decree and attended the cremation in their hundreds.

    Zilkar Monastery tense following arrest of five monks - www.phayul.com
     
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    The Chinese economic behemoth has made all the major powers mum on this day light robbery. Nobody blinks even on the immolations.
    furthermore, the topmost Lama leadership with a far reaching voice, has been forced out of Tibet for long.
    Now the remaining monks have become easy pickings for CCP goons.

    How much of the Tibetan soul is left alive depends on which theme of buddhism China wants to market for tourism.
    Other factors that could intervene are increasingly proven as mere lip service.

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    dont know what pride this article is taking about....the pride which made these separists run away to india with their hopes?

    the history of tibet is simple and can be divided into 2 parts....1 not belonging to china and 1 belonging to china.....i m sure the belonging to china part of the history will keep repeating it......
     
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    Secessionism is and has been seen at many places world over, including even Europe.
    Why do the Tibetans want to break free so badly?
    What has gone so wrong between CCP and the people "belonging to china" that they are going as far as immolating themselves?
    Why is the CCP so insecure and gagging with people who would set themselves on fire before harming others for a cause like a rabbid militant. Use of force for the latter is understandable.

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    break free so badly??? as badly as those people in NE india feel???? must be what the dalai lama has told u......
     
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    People in NE don't want to break free. Militants wanted to run their shops by exerting tribal identity and they've been dealt with.
    Some CCP pet might have told you good night stories though. We do shoot the terrorists but we don't force our own people to immolate themselves.
     
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    NE people breaking free?

    NE people of China?
     
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    I am from the NE. I have never heard of anyone from NE wanting to break free. Is this your fantasy story told by unkil weeny jibao?
     
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    Fantasising is their pastime!
     
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    Gandhi and Mandela did not face regimes as oppressive as Chinese, who would be prepared to slaughter as many Tibetans as they need to. Just a fact.
     
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    that is a sad but true fact

    many of our very own indian folk need to ttake that into consideration when gauging the brit empire in india

    something we often overlook to our peril - because then we might UNDERESTIMATE THE BRUTALITY of the DRAGON
     
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    the indonesian govt also sent thousands of a different ethnicity into east timor to change the demographic there - that govt has engineered "transmigration" to change demographics in many other parts of the vast archipelago including the former portuguese east timor - they were also tacilty encouraged by henry kissinger

    theire colonisation attempt failed in east Timor

    there might be hope for tibet but i'll have to conceded it's much more difficult - after all - theyre facing THE DRAGON itself !
     
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    the tibetans need to modernise their strategy ( sorry to add - IF they can ) and realise they wont win trying to but take the dragon "head on"

    they need lateral methods - eg - raise consciousness in the USA canada western europe - ...UN ....ngo's

    take the fight globally - CAN THEY DO THIS ?? - this is the hard reality they are facing , like it or not .
     

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