British Muslims express 'disgust' over Modi invite to UK

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Modi wont be able to stop terrorism, terrorism does not stop by talking or shouting about it. BJP govt was in power too.
Modi is still better than the Congressi hypocrites, though BJP was in power but only for 13 days and 5 years. The '13 day power' already brought down their morale to take fearless decisions for the country. Moreover it was a coalition govt. unlike what Congress has enjoyed for decades. Though there has been many congress supported/incited riots in the country before 2002 but Modi was specially targeted without any fault, as he abolished the Congress from the Gujarat, and ultimately Congress won in its propaganda and came back to the power in 2004. You see a single wrong decision could have thrown BJP out of the power for once and for always. Being a Hinduwadi party they gave Pakistan a chance of peace but Pak failed, I don't think BJP will hesitate in taking good decisions for the country if they come back in power with a good majority.

So far as terrorism is concerned, how will you control it if you repeal the Act ( POTA) meant to deal with it for your vote-bank ?
 

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Will you say the same if a british political party invites Hafiz Saeed ... the guy has a history behind him, lots of allegation against him. What was the need to invite him. Let him be the PM first.
the last time i checked, it was Hafiz Saeed who had a $10 million bounty on his head, and Modi is the democratically elected CM of Gujarat.
theres a world of difference when inviting Modi as compared to Saeed. come back and talk when some british political party is suidical enough to invite hafiz saeed
 

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Will you say the same if a british political party invites Hafiz Saeed ... the guy has a history behind him, lots of allegation against him. What was the need to invite him. Let him be the PM first.
Yes, they invited Modi to antagonaize Muslims. Only a pukky can think this way.

Grow up the world does not revolve around you. No one gives a rats ass what you think.

Modi is the head of a state that has more economic clout that the abomination called Pakistan. So there will be people interested in speaking with him. As evidenced by UKs skewed investments in Gujarat compared with other states. Live with it
 

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Re: Hate India campaign in Britain by Britishers of Pak origin

@ashdoc took a little too much liberty with the headlines. This was done by Mr. Munaf Zeena the head of Council of Indian Muslims and CAN (Campaign against Narendra Modi)
the headline was similar to the headline of the original article . but i changed it from ' muslims ' to ' pakis '
 
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Re: Hate India campaign in Britain by Britishers of Pak origin

the headline was similar to the headline of the original article . but i changed it from ' muslims ' to ' pakis '
But this protest is by an Indian origin Muslim.
 

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Re: Hate India campaign in Britain by Britishers of Pak origin

But this protest is by an Indian origin Muslim.
This is the article i gave link to---are you seeing something else ???

Hate-India Campaign By British Muslim Radicals
ALLABAKSH

Britain has suddenly realised that radicalism has made deep inroads among its young Muslims. That would not have come as a surprise to Her Majesty's government if it had cared to take a serious view of some of the patently objectionable and unacceptable activities of the people who have been preaching hate and intolerance in the island nation for quite some time and also listened to some voices from India. It is hardly a secret in the UK that the most radicalised section among its Muslims citizens are people of Pakistani origin, followed closely by those who trace their roots to Bangladesh, formerly known as East Pakistan.

India has reasons to be concerned about this phenomenon and, in fact, New Delhi should take up the matter with London without any delay. Much to the resentment of the Muslim community as a whole, the Madrassas in the UK have attracted a lot of adverse publicity lately. They are thought to be the main recruiting grounds for Islamists and jehadis who have now brought their terrorist activities to the very heart of the country.

There are about 1000 Madrassas, most of them attached to the mosques, where they impart Islamic history and jurisprudence and teach languages like Urdu and Arabic. Going by the London police claims now, quite a few Madrassas obviously expand their curriculum to include preaching hatred to the young and impressionable pupils.

The clerics in these mosques run schools are often imported from Pakistan, presumably after they have been 'cleared' by the ISI. The Muslims from India have kept a remarkable distance from the activities of the extremists. Post-Godhra the 'imported' preachers and British advocates of hate and terrorism are targeting the Gujrati Muslim youth in Britain to become the 'pioneer' batch of Indian mercenaries of death.

It therefore comes as no surprise that 'hate India' lessons form an essential part of the British Madrassa curriculum. Pictures from Kashmir with provocative captions adorn the walls. The 'serene surroundings' of the Dal Lake are shown as being surrounded by '600,000' Indian soldiers, a patent Pakistani propaganda. Gun-totting Indian troops are depicted as harassing ordinary Kashmiris by stopping and searching them in bazaars. A Kashmiri youth's funeral is shown with a perversity that is common in the Pakistani media: 'one more added to the genocide'.

Of course, there is plenty of ammunition against the West and posters exhort the youth to join the Jehad. Some posters carry 'interesting' messages: 'Show Allah what he loves to see from jehad'. 'Hurry to rescue your brothers in al-Fallujah and eliminate your rulers if they stand in your way' and 'to die for the sake of Allah is better than life and what it contains.'

Experts and scholars in the West say that many Muslim youth take to terrorism to avenge the 'oppression' and 'torture' of Muslims and the 'occupation' of Muslim lands by Western armies. Palestine is not the only fodder for fanning these feelings. In Britain where Muslims of Pakistani origin constitute the largest section of their community, Kashmir has long been projected as a case of 'oppression' of Muslims by 'infidels'.

Thanks to that pernicious propaganda, not many in Britain are aware of the complex nature of the Kashmir dispute and, of course, virtually nobody there is even remotely aware that the Pakistani-backed and financed 'freedom fighters' had carried out an ethnic cleansing in Kashmir much before it became a reality in Bosnia for instance.

It is time India took up the matter of sustained hate-India campaign being carried out by the British Pakistanis in their mosques and Madrassas. In fact, even the British politicians of Pakistani origin, including members of parliament, rarely miss an opportunity to denigrate India even though their views may not exactly match the official British line. The British government, which claims to have good relations with India, cannot turn a blind eye towards this as it makes belated efforts to wipe out the cult of fanaticism and extremism from its young Muslims.

Some in India might be under the mistaken notion that the Madrassas in Britain attract mostly the poor. The fact is that the average middle class Pakistani (or British Pakistani) likes to send his child to the Madrassas, or the 'second school', where classes are held in the evening after the pupils returned from the regular schools. But more to the point is the fact that even a cursory glance at the background of those British Muslims who came to fight jehad in Kashmir would show that they mostly belong to the middle class, if not affluent families.

It was amusing to hear the Pakistani President, Gen Pervez Musharraf, telling the British the other day that there were no terrorists left in Pakistan but there were plenty of them in the UK and that they should have been rounded up by the British government long ago. He wanted Britain to ban organisations like Hizb-ur-Tahrir and Al-Mouhajiroun who had the 'audacity' to pass an 'edict' against Musharraf's life. These organisations call for overthrowing Western governments through violence. Some of the most active members of these organisations are of Pakistani origin who are now trying to pre-empt a ban order with the help of champions of civil liberties—something which they oppose tooth and nail in their preaching.

Hizb-ur-Tahrir wants to establish a single Islamic state governed by Sharia. Its chief spokesman is a 35-year-old psychiatrist with Britain's National Health Service, Imran Waheed---a man of Pakistani origin.

How he attends to his official duties is not clear but as a psychiatrist he certainly offers some strange explanation for spouting jehad from the British soil. He calls Tony Blair a 'firebrand cleric' who is instrumental in 'radicalising' the British (Muslim) youth by sending his troops to fight for 'the Queen and the country.'

Imran Waheed is ambivalent about outright condemnation of London suicide bombers but has no hesitation in defending suicide bombing as, according to him, Islamic scholars support such an action against 'military occupation'.

Perhaps, Tony Blair will heed what Musharraf has told him. In that case the British prime minister should also look into the close links that some of the Madrassas in Britain have developed with their counterparts in Pakistan. The Pakistani end sends some of its more rabid clerics for preaching 'religion' and their efforts are supplemented by regular supply of hate-India material from Pakistan to particularly lure the youth of Pakistani origin.
 

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Re: Hate India campaign in Britain by Britishers of Pak origin

This is the article i gave link to---are you seeing something else ???

Hate-India Campaign By British Muslim Radicals
ALLABAKSH

Britain has suddenly realised that radicalism has made deep inroads among its young Muslims. That would not have come as a surprise to Her Majesty's government if it had cared to take a serious view of some of the patently objectionable and unacceptable activities of the people who have been preaching hate and intolerance in the island nation for quite some time and also listened to some voices from India. It is hardly a secret in the UK that the most radicalised section among its Muslims citizens are people of Pakistani origin, followed closely by those who trace their roots to Bangladesh, formerly known as East Pakistan.

India has reasons to be concerned about this phenomenon and, in fact, New Delhi should take up the matter with London without any delay. Much to the resentment of the Muslim community as a whole, the Madrassas in the UK have attracted a lot of adverse publicity lately. They are thought to be the main recruiting grounds for Islamists and jehadis who have now brought their terrorist activities to the very heart of the country.

There are about 1000 Madrassas, most of them attached to the mosques, where they impart Islamic history and jurisprudence and teach languages like Urdu and Arabic. Going by the London police claims now, quite a few Madrassas obviously expand their curriculum to include preaching hatred to the young and impressionable pupils.

The clerics in these mosques run schools are often imported from Pakistan, presumably after they have been 'cleared' by the ISI. The Muslims from India have kept a remarkable distance from the activities of the extremists. Post-Godhra the 'imported' preachers and British advocates of hate and terrorism are targeting the Gujrati Muslim youth in Britain to become the 'pioneer' batch of Indian mercenaries of death.

It therefore comes as no surprise that 'hate India' lessons form an essential part of the British Madrassa curriculum. Pictures from Kashmir with provocative captions adorn the walls. The 'serene surroundings' of the Dal Lake are shown as being surrounded by '600,000' Indian soldiers, a patent Pakistani propaganda. Gun-totting Indian troops are depicted as harassing ordinary Kashmiris by stopping and searching them in bazaars. A Kashmiri youth's funeral is shown with a perversity that is common in the Pakistani media: 'one more added to the genocide'.

Of course, there is plenty of ammunition against the West and posters exhort the youth to join the Jehad. Some posters carry 'interesting' messages: 'Show Allah what he loves to see from jehad'. 'Hurry to rescue your brothers in al-Fallujah and eliminate your rulers if they stand in your way' and 'to die for the sake of Allah is better than life and what it contains.'

Experts and scholars in the West say that many Muslim youth take to terrorism to avenge the 'oppression' and 'torture' of Muslims and the 'occupation' of Muslim lands by Western armies. Palestine is not the only fodder for fanning these feelings. In Britain where Muslims of Pakistani origin constitute the largest section of their community, Kashmir has long been projected as a case of 'oppression' of Muslims by 'infidels'.

Thanks to that pernicious propaganda, not many in Britain are aware of the complex nature of the Kashmir dispute and, of course, virtually nobody there is even remotely aware that the Pakistani-backed and financed 'freedom fighters' had carried out an ethnic cleansing in Kashmir much before it became a reality in Bosnia for instance.

It is time India took up the matter of sustained hate-India campaign being carried out by the British Pakistanis in their mosques and Madrassas. In fact, even the British politicians of Pakistani origin, including members of parliament, rarely miss an opportunity to denigrate India even though their views may not exactly match the official British line. The British government, which claims to have good relations with India, cannot turn a blind eye towards this as it makes belated efforts to wipe out the cult of fanaticism and extremism from its young Muslims.

Some in India might be under the mistaken notion that the Madrassas in Britain attract mostly the poor. The fact is that the average middle class Pakistani (or British Pakistani) likes to send his child to the Madrassas, or the 'second school', where classes are held in the evening after the pupils returned from the regular schools. But more to the point is the fact that even a cursory glance at the background of those British Muslims who came to fight jehad in Kashmir would show that they mostly belong to the middle class, if not affluent families.

It was amusing to hear the Pakistani President, Gen Pervez Musharraf, telling the British the other day that there were no terrorists left in Pakistan but there were plenty of them in the UK and that they should have been rounded up by the British government long ago. He wanted Britain to ban organisations like Hizb-ur-Tahrir and Al-Mouhajiroun who had the 'audacity' to pass an 'edict' against Musharraf's life. These organisations call for overthrowing Western governments through violence. Some of the most active members of these organisations are of Pakistani origin who are now trying to pre-empt a ban order with the help of champions of civil liberties—something which they oppose tooth and nail in their preaching.

Hizb-ur-Tahrir wants to establish a single Islamic state governed by Sharia. Its chief spokesman is a 35-year-old psychiatrist with Britain's National Health Service, Imran Waheed---a man of Pakistani origin.

How he attends to his official duties is not clear but as a psychiatrist he certainly offers some strange explanation for spouting jehad from the British soil. He calls Tony Blair a 'firebrand cleric' who is instrumental in 'radicalising' the British (Muslim) youth by sending his troops to fight for 'the Queen and the country.'

Imran Waheed is ambivalent about outright condemnation of London suicide bombers but has no hesitation in defending suicide bombing as, according to him, Islamic scholars support such an action against 'military occupation'.

Perhaps, Tony Blair will heed what Musharraf has told him. In that case the British prime minister should also look into the close links that some of the Madrassas in Britain have developed with their counterparts in Pakistan. The Pakistani end sends some of its more rabid clerics for preaching 'religion' and their efforts are supplemented by regular supply of hate-India material from Pakistan to particularly lure the youth of Pakistani origin.
This is "original" analysis by a partisan site, of a news report widely published in leading newspaper. In any case, this has nothing to do with Pakistan, as the organization protesting against teh same is CIM-UK (Council of Indian Muslims)
 

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Re: Hate India campaign in Britain by Britishers of Pak origin

This is "original" analysis by a partisan site, of a news report widely published in leading newspaper. In any case, this has nothing to do with Pakistan, as the organization protesting against teh same is CIM-UK (Council of Indian Muslims)
i cant even see the name ' Modi ' in the article i copy/pasted at all . anyway , i will leave it at that.......
 

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Re: Hate India campaign in Britain by Britishers of Pak origin

But this protest is by an Indian origin Muslim.
Protest by anyone can be done, without nationality/ religious affiliation.

Therefore, one cannot hold it against a Muslim of Indian origin.

Why Padgaonkar was invited and attended an all expense paid jamboree by that ISI front man, Ghulam Nabi Fai for his Kashmiri-American Council (KAC) that the US said - ''ISI's sponsorship and control of KAC were secret and that ISI had been directing Fai's activities for the past 25 years.'' and the US claimed that - Fai and the KAC have received at least $4 million from the Pakistani government.

Prof Angana Chatterji, Gautam Navalakha and veteran journalist Ved Bhasin.

The Indians who attended the conference after their names were approved by the ISI, included Justice Sachar and Bhasin.

Chatterji and Gautam Navalakha became some of the regulars at these conferences along with writers like Victoria Schofield.


Who knows who all Indians attended.
ISI vetted Indians on Ghulam Nabi Fai list of invitees - India - DNA

Maybe Radha Kumar.

You should hear the GoI sponsored interlocutors for Kashmir. They are totally sold on the 'minority' issue of Kashmir.Conveniently, forgetting that Kashmir has a mixed religious composition and even unfounded regional aspirations, including those of the Valley.

While Dilip Pagaonkar, the Head of the Team, was a Fai fanboy, who knows if the others were too!

Here is an article for reading:

New Delhi's Kashmir Interlocutors
It is unlikely that New Delhi will take their suggestions seriously
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I have been postponing this column on the Kashmir interlocutors appointed by the Government of India for a long time because I wanted to do it once their report is finalized and made available to the general public (also I did not want my 'cynicism' to color anyone's understanding of the issue or obstruct the interlocutors' work). However, I am going to write about it now for two important reasons: 1) I am puzzled by the feverish high-pitch marketing campaign and the gate-crashing tactics adopted by the interlocutors in Srinagar, and 2) even if their report contains radical 'recommendations' to the government of India to resolve the Kashmir conflict, I am increasingly convinced that it is unlikely to create an impact on the conflict per se.
The selection, appointment, and the functioning of the interlocutors are deeply flawed, and inaction and inertia, in all probability, await the group's recommendations to the government of India. More so, the fundamental logic underlying the formation of this group seems to be that 'we need a document to be put together by a group of 'experts' which can clearly spell out a political solution for the conflict in Kashmir'. This logic is misplaced because we neither need such a document nor do we need a group of experts to tell us and the government in New Delhi as to what should be the solution to the Kashmir conflict: the fact is that we already know what the solution should be and there are enough documents which have in great detail explained what should be the solution. It is not yet another document that we need to finally resolve the Kashmir conflict, but an honorable political process of reconciliation between Kashmir and New Delhi.

Under the supervision of MoH
The Kashmiri separatists, moderates and hardliners alike, made it clear right from the beginning that they would not talk to a low-profile, low-powered team of 'academic experts' (no, I don't use the word 'academic' in a derogatory manner!) who are tasked with (merely) 'suggesting' ways to 'resolve the Kashmir conflict'. Why, the separatists asked, would they want to talk to a group of academics/researchers/journalists who would be submitting a report to the Ministry of Home which many Kashmiris see as part of the problem in the first place? That they did not enjoy any decision-making power and that they could only act as the handmaiden to the MoH became amply clear when the Home Minister publically instructed them not to 'give ball-to-ball commentary' on their activities to the media.
Indeed, the appointment of this group of interlocutors is a clever move by the MoH because by setting up this group to be functioning under its guidance, which, under ideal circumstances, should be sitting in judgment of whatever the MoH has done in Kashmir for many years, the MoH has managed to assume a moral high ground. If New Delhi's security forces and the MoH themselves are in the dock when it comes to the Kashmir problem, how can they sit in judgment of the activities of the group of interlocutors let alone bring about a genuine process of truth-finding and reconciliation? The very fact that the MoH has the power to reprimand the group shows that it controls the group and its activities, it can finally decide what to do with their report and that the group lacks the power to point fingers at its own source of origin.

Feverish marketing campaign
Once in Kashmir, the interlocutors claimed that they will not go after the separatists if the latter did not want to meet them and yet the current spate of feverish marketing campaign and the aggressive pursuit of separatists by the interlocutors are painfully demeaning for the very meaning of peacemaking. The one separatist they managed to poach from the dissident camp, Moulana Abbas Ansari, has been ousted from the Hurriyat and while the separatists publicly denounce the interlocutors, the mainstream parties are willing to say in private conversations that they are talking to the interlocutors only due to the pressure exerted on them by the MoH: this is making a mockery of the concept of peacemaking.

Flawed performance
Apart from conducting occasional visits to the state, holding press-conferences and star-studded seminars, and occasional poaching of minor, disgruntled, elements from the dissident camp, what have the interlocutors done? Forget about their ability to bring about an honorable solution to the Kashmir issue, have they at least been able to create a momentum for peace in Kashmir? Not really. Apart from the chiding they are subjected to by Chidambaram from time to time, the interlocutors have also been complicating the issues in the state with their own utterances. For instance, they have been mixing up political problems and governance issues. The group has been dialoguing with people from all parts of the state including Jammu and has said that its suggestions will also give importance to 'problems faced by all parts of the state'. But the fact is that the political nature of the problem is limited to the Kashmir valley and expanding this problem to the rest of the state is not the best thing to do. Of course, the other parts of the state have their own problems of infrastructure, governance etc. But that is not the 'Kashmir problem' which is clearly political in nature. The interlocutors also said during a recent seminar that the security forces are also among the major stakeholders in the Kashmir conflict. How can the security forces be a major stakeholder in the Kashmir conflict?
Life beyond recommendations
Going by the history of the various New Delhi-Srinagar talks and reports generated by official and non-official groups in the past, including the theme-based working groups set up by the Prime Minister of India and the autonomy proposal of the NC, it is unlikely that New Delhi will take the suggestions of the three-member interlocutors seriously. As I wrote in one of my earlier columns even if one were to argue that the interlocutors would end up giving a good set of recommendations to New Delhi in order to politically address and resolve the Kashmir issue, the trouble is that since the separatists are not part of the process they are unlikely to accept them for fear of being considered irrelevant in the resolution of the Kashmir conflict. How can we expect the separatists to accept the recommendations of a group that was not given their legitimacy and blessings in the first place? That would go on to prove that the separatists are irrelevant and dispensable in Kashmir politics.
More so, with the peace-loving Manmohan singh under heavy opposition fire from multiple corruption charges, the UPA government is more likely to go back to its time-tested political position: political status-quoism. The right-wing BJP, with its new-found advantage over the government, is unlikely to let the government do anything radical on Kashmir.
In my opinion, therefore, this group appointed by New Delhi, whose members are widely recognized as learned people, should not be called interlocutors but members of a 'Kashmir study group' (copyright to Farooq Katwari's KSG) at best.
New Delhi s Kashmir Interlocutors Lastupdate:- Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com
We cannot rule out the influence of Fai on the protest of Indian origin, when Indians are of possible impressed with the ISI and Fai's indoctrination!
 

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Re: Hate India campaign in Britain by Britishers of Pak origin

I wonder if any Indian worth his salt requires foreign certification and have to go there to prove it!

Little Bo peep has lost her sheep
And doesn't know where to find them.
Leave them alone and they'll come home,
Bringing their tails behind them.


I think Modi should wait.

Should he become the PM, then those who were inflamed with Modi would come home bringing their tails behind them.

Not because of Modi, but they have to tap the huge resources of India, to include the vast market, and they cannot do so with the blessings of whoever is the PM of India.
 
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@Singh .. you must be ashamed of the company you keep here ... and probably want to run away. :rofl:
 
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@Singh .. you must be ashamed of the company you keep here ... and probably want to run away. :rofl:
If you want to run away, then let me assure you none will object.

Quit dragging @Singh into all this!

In case you did not know, he OWNS this forum.

He is a fair chap and that is why you exist here, even if some are ashamed of the company of yours!

Especially when you are a person who is short on history and facts and acts as some Sir Oracle descending from Heaven to enlighten as the Second Coming of Christ!

Even here, you post has nothing to do with the topic and instead you wish to act as if you are some one superior, when in actuality, you are the pits, if not totally a scumbag being a certified topically illiterate!

Do grow up and learn to be constructively useful. Education is your first step. Seize it!
 
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@Singh .. you must be ashamed of the company you keep here ... and probably want to run away. :rofl:
We all enjoy being pulled by each other; and being wrong; wronged; or corrected; all in the family; but not by outsiders though. Not trying to talk for others but just making a generic statement from my experience. Whatever we say here remains in this digital space only, doesn't affect our real world, dies its natural death and we move on to new topics.
 
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@honeybadeger,,

You have to get used to the ethos of this forum.

It is NOT Agenda driven!
 
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@Ray .. seems to me, what I said 2 days ago, is still in your brain, You are a grown up man, just let go .... :namaste:
 
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Will you say the same if a british political party invites Hafiz Saeed ... the guy has a history behind him, lots of allegation against him. What was the need to invite him. Let him be the PM first.
Are you out of your mind or being thick deliberately? It's like comparing David Cameron and Anders Breivik. No wonder Brits sound totally ignorant when discussing Indian politics.
 

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