Bhim Not On TrackAfter All

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  1. sukhoi30mki

    sukhoi30mki Regular Member

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    Trust DRDO not to put out the full picture. The Indian BHIM 155-mm tracked self-propelled
    howitzer was recently noted by DRDO to have been "evaluated" and "accepted" by the Indian Army. Well, it turns out the DRDO was referring to its nearly decade old evaluation/acceptance by the Army when the BHIM had a Denel T6 gun turret. After Denel was blacklisted by the Indian government following apparent evidence of malfeasance in a separate deal for anti-materiel rifles, the BHIM became effectively gun- less, and has remained so ever since. Efforts have been made twice to give the BHIM a gun, but those efforts are nowhere close to complete. And when I checked with DRDO, they told me they were "planning to" restart efforts to find the BHIM a new gun. So, no new gun. It's just a couple of Arjun
    chassis stored away somewhere.
    Trust DRDO not to put out the full picture. The Indian BHIM 155-mm tracked self-propelled
    howitzer was recently noted by DRDO to have been "evaluated" and "accepted" by the Indian Army. Well, it turns out the DRDO was referring to its nearly decade old evaluation/acceptance by the Army when the BHIM had a Denel T6 gun turret. After Denel was blacklisted by the Indian government following apparent evidence of malfeasance in a separate deal for anti-materiel rifles, the BHIM became effectively gun- less, and has remained so ever since. Efforts have been made twice to give the BHIM a gun, but those efforts are nowhere close to complete. And when I checked with DRDO, they told me they were "planning to" restart efforts to find the BHIM a new gun. So, no new gun. It's just a couple of Arjun
    chassis stored away somewhere.

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  3. nitesh

    nitesh Mob Control Manager Stars and Ambassadors

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    Then what else DRDO is supposed to do?
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    ^^ Good point Nitesh.

    While it is good to know that Bhim, right now, is an expensive paperweight, one can hardly blame DRDO for the current state of affairs.
     
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    civfanatic Retired Moderator

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    How hard is it to make a 155mm gun by yourself?

    I mean come on, even North Korea does it.
     
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    sukhoi30mki Regular Member

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    DRDO seriously needs reforms,
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Can Private and Gov sector work together ?
     
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    /\/\/\ With kickbacks, why not?
     
  9. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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  10. sukhoi30mki

    sukhoi30mki Regular Member

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    ya PPP can do much better,
    see Pinaka MBRL,

    In USA private players dominate defence market eg. Lokheed Martin and Boeing they compete with each other and produce world class products but we have monopoly of DRDO.
     
  11. ace009

    ace009 Freakin' Fighter fan Elite Member

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    Indian defense industry is stuck with the Russian socialist model of state run monopolies. Since 1992, lot of industries were opened up to the private sector like telecom, airlines etc, but most of defense was monopolized by DRDO. it is only from 2000 (after the 1998 US embargo) that the private investments in the defense sector were encouraged. As a result, it will take India another 20-25 years before the private companies step up.
    It is a sad commentary indeed that our self-propelled artillery does not have a GUN!
     
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    Absolutely fabulous !! By the end of this decade, we will have our nuke sub patrolling the international waters with an medium range ballistic missile (hopefully one at least), at least 3 ACs with a substantial air power, a 5000 km+ ICBM, MMRCA winner aircrafts in the IAF, probably a handful of the FGFA also, 10-15 AWACS platforms, but without a capable self propelled artillery gun, something very basic, for the IA and also a futuristic MBT for the armored regiments !! So, the biggest loser in all this, turns out to be the Indian Army !! Poor IA.
     
  13. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    The list of products that India should be able to make but fails and has to issue tenders is mind boggling.

    Basic trainer = fail
    Assault Rifle = fail
    Sniper Rifle = fail
    Tactical Vehicle = fail
    Self Prop Arty = fail
    Towed Arty = fail
    SRSAM = fail
    Night Vision = fail
    MANPAD = fail
    Portable ATGM = fail

    The list just goes on and on...
     
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    The common factor is the parent organisation DRDO=Fail its high time for govt to privatise defence production except for Ballistic missile.

    Even Russia has learned its lesson now they have Rosbonexport the aeronautics sector has been reformed now you have the UAC (united aircraft production) privatisation in India as in many other countries has a negative connotation and as we all know in India it'll bring hell lot of protest.
     
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    actually we need lots of both wheeled & tracked guns why mod dont go for a joint collaboaration of any private entity to produce the propossed artillary system,army badly needs it.
     
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    ace009 Freakin' Fighter fan Elite Member

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    Because MoD is still stuck in the 1980s. Instead of looking at what needs to be done from a strategic/ tactical viewpoint, they look at what babus think are important. Add to that the fact that the IA brass is the largest bureaucracy possible, with outdated thinking.
     
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    The South Koren model is an interesting template. But the main point is that weapons systems development is better left to the private sector. The DRDO does not care about basic weapons because it does not tickle the Indian public's pride. This is the result if you put bureaucrats in charge of products development. Everything is for PR...
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Everything is for PR and nothing for self-defense? Sure there are a lot of Nationalists here who are fans of Indias accomplishment and enjoy seeing developments in complex fields but that is not the real reason DRDO was established, i mean to be an PR department. India was many time a victim of sanctions from the west that crippled its ability to purchase defence equipment in times of war, pushing it to rely more on a single vendor like Russia. So the importance of making things locally was held at high importance and to have an independent foreign policy which wont be dictated by threats of stoping weapons supply during war. We do live in a very Hostile area and a lot of our land is contested by China and Pakistan.

    I agree the Private sector could take up but DRDO was built during the Socialist Era where state wanted more control on such stuff but now its not easy to do an U-turn all of a sudden, the private Industry was never groomed for this, so its going to be very hard to do a transaction to private Defense industry, I really dont see anything down the line for many decades that's going to replace DRDO simply because of the complexity and funds required for R&D.
     
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    ace009 Freakin' Fighter fan Elite Member

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    It is not just a fault of DRDO. They could not develop a gun in 10+ years is shameful, but what was MoD doing? Artillary guns are made by mutiple companies world over. MoD/ IA should have bought a 155 mm gun and got 50 delivered by the company. They should make a deal similar to the IN ships or IAF fighters, license production of the rest 200 guns or whatever number the IA needed. That way, DRDO would have learnt how to make artillery guns too. Instead, the babus were busy sleeping/ looking for better "deals" in large value projects.
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    tell that to corrupt politicians. you need to spend enough on R&D. you can't pay the price of peanuts and expect the drdo to do magic
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    They were not told to do it, looking at Political situation no body even dare to ask..

    Only few months back they were asked only when they asked.. That is Shameful!

    MOD is always busy in eating Samosa and Chay!, And always ready with Excuses instead working for solution !

    And IA top brass were not hard enough to push for STOP GAP measures!, Most think they have done their job by submitting the requirements at south block, A STOP GAP measure is simply mounting a Towed Arty on the back of a modified truck hence making it a SPGH..

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