Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC-1

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Yeah, we all know those Chinese "official releases", but if you have eyes OK, you will see that CM-400 and YJ-12 are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT missiles.
The first and major difference is CM-400 10 times less weight.
The second is completely different engine.
The third is aerodynamical scheme and air balancing - it is required to completely redesign all the missile to get the one from another.
Why should Chinese do that? They are poor engineers and designers, but they are not idiots.
It is much easier to create a new missile from scratch than redesign YJ-12 this way.

And if you have eyes, you will correctly recognize the real CM-400 prototype: Kh-58A/U.

BTW, if the missile is so great that you state, why Chinese don't start to mass-produce it for PLAAF/PLANAF and then, when they are satisfied, give the bone to Pakistan?
It is logical to feed their own PLANAF, then PLAAF and only then produce it for foreign customers.

they are not.but are anti ship missile while one is air launched variant

Engines indeed are different but mostly because of the small size of cm-400akg

size difference is less than 4 times not 10times

well Yj-12 and cm-400akg both are there product.and if we dont believe in the manufacturer words than who should we?

who knows.cm-400akg might already be in mass production for PLAN.PLAAF

As per sipiri pakistan has already recieved 10 of them of total 50 ordered
2nd expected customer could be argentina

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Yeah, we all know those Chinese "official releases", but if you have eyes OK, you will see that CM-400 and YJ-12 are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT missiles.
The first and major difference is CM-400 10 times less weight.
The second is completely different engine.
The third is aerodynamical scheme and air balancing - it is required to completely redesign all the missile to get the one from another.
Why should Chinese do that? They are poor engineers and designers, but they are not idiots.
It is much easier to create a new missile from scratch than redesign YJ-12 this way.

And if you have eyes, you will correctly recognize the real CM-400 prototype: Kh-58A/U.

BTW, if the missile is so great that you state, why Chinese don't start to mass-produce it for PLAAF/PLANAF and then, when they are satisfied, give the bone to Pakistan?
It is logical to feed their own PLANAF, then PLAAF and only then produce it for foreign customers.

they are not.but are anti ship missile while one is air launched variant

Engines indeed are different but mostly because of the small size of cm-400akg

size difference is less than 4 times not 10times

well Yj-12 and cm-400akg both are there product.and if we dont believe in the manufacturer words than who should we?

who knows.cm-400akg might already be in mass production for PLAN.PLAAF

As per sipiri pakistan has already recieved 10 of them of total 50 ordered
2nd expected customer could be argentina

 

[gadeshi]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

CM-400 weights 400 kg, YJ-12 - 4500 kg. How many will be to divide the second by the first?

Engines indeed are different but mostly because of the small size of cm-400akg

It is a TRIPLE FACEPALM!!!
Do you even understand the amount of reworks to get the CM-400 from JY-12??? Including complete control system rework and all-new airframe.
They are DIFFERENT missiles.

well Yj-12 and cm-400akg both are there product.and if we dont believe in the manufacturer words than who should we?

Where is the official manufacturer data???
The tables we've seen in Zhuhai are just "silly essay about nothing" - no numbers at all.
Wikipedia is not a seroios data source since it can be edited by anybody who have an account.
It is enough to read about MiG-35 empty weight is 15000 and the other pearls to understand that.

No official data is available, @farhan!
Give us such a revelaton and you will turn us to your chinese gods religion

BTW Chinese claim that all the J-11 family are Chinese indigenous designs. So, we all should believe the manufacturers?

Look at this:

http://hrenovina.net/9899

 

[p2prada]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

No, it is completely different from Kh-22/32 on all the specs, phisycal and tactical as well.
It is a Chinese derivative of Kh-58A/U.
If you'll look at it carefully, you will find dramatical similarity.

Kh-22 has 5,7 tonnes weight and up to 500km range carying 1000kg thermonuclear/conventional warhead.

Х-22 БУРЯ

I am not talking about dimensions or weight. I am talking about function. Travel to great height. Drop down at high speed.
It is difficult/impossible to reach speeds of Mach 5.5 from only 12 Km altitude. The CM will have to go at least up to 25Km like KH-22 can and then drop down.

Whether CM-400AKG was copied from KH-58 or not, I don't know.

@farhan_9909

YJ-12 is a completely different class of missile. Nowhere related to CM-400AKG.

CM-400AKG

The missile on the left.

The missile also has small fins. So it is most probably an air to ground missile.

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Interesting article about the possible license production of JFT by argentina and the UK

CAC FC-1 Xiaolong: Argentina's silver lining? | Think Defence

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Interesting article about the possible license production of JFT by argentina and the UK

CAC FC-1 Xiaolong: Argentina's silver lining? | Think Defence

 

[drkrn]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Interesting article about the possible license production of JFT by argentina and the UK

CAC FC-1 Xiaolong: Argentina's silver lining? | Think Defence

UK??are you mad?

 

[p2prada]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Interesting article about the possible license production of JFT by argentina and the UK

CAC FC-1 Xiaolong: Argentina's silver lining? | Think Defence

Seems you know nothing about South American history too. Argentina and UK, I believe.

Why not just change it to Pakistan and India or China and India?

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

UK??are you mad?

i am sure you didnt even opened the link

its about JFT implications on UK considering argentina having the Fc-1 and possibly witht he world deadliest Ashm ever made in the history of antiship warfare aka CM-400akg

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Seems you know nothing about South American history too. Argentina and UK, I believe.

Why not just change it to Pakistan and India or China and India?

i know.

JFT with cm-400akg/c-80xx does pose a threat to UK navy and UK interest

 

[ladder]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

i am sure you didnt even opened the link

its about JFT implications on UK considering argentina having the Fc-1 and possibly witht he world deadliest Ashm ever made in the history of antiship warfare aka CM-400akg

Yeah they are so deadly that Brits will handover Falklands to Argentina by the mere mention of it.

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Yeah they are so deadly that Brits will handover Falklands to Argentina by the mere mention of it.

they can sink any ship none to exist.even aircraft carrier if 2 of them are fired.
considering that each JFT with carry 2xcm-400akg

 

[Armand2REP]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Interesting article about the possible license production of JFT by argentina and the UK

CAC FC-1 Xiaolong: Argentina's silver lining? | Think Defence

Why would UK license produce the Junk Fighter? Are you mad?? The article doesn't even mention that.

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Why would UK license produce the Junk Fighter? Are you mad?? The article doesn't even mention that.

possible license production of jft by argentina and its implication on UK.

yes they wont..they have EFT.only of its kind.they also dont need JAFALE

 

[Armand2REP]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

possible license production of jft by argentina and its implication on UK.

yes they wont..they have EFT.only of its kind.they also dont need JAFALE

If it was stupid enough to do so, the only implication would be cannon fodder for EFT. Argentina wants it with French avionics but we aren't clearing them for installation by China.

 

[ladder]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

they can sink any ship none to exist.even aircraft carrier if 2 of them are fired.
considering that each JFT with carry 2xcm-400akg

Yes you are correct, they have the capability to sink ships that are even on drawing board.

 

[p2prada]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

i know.

You said production with Argentina and UK.

JFT with cm-400akg/c-80xx does pose a threat to UK navy and UK interest

they can sink any ship none to exist.even aircraft carrier if 2 of them are fired.
considering that each JFT with carry 2xcm-400akg

I will repeat this again. CM-400AKG is a land attack cruise missile, not an anti-ship cruise missile.

The most important criteria for such a missile is that the target should be stationary. It follows a ballistic trajectory during its terminal phase. Meaning, it simply falls down. The lack of large fins also show that the missile is meant against land base targets.

This is Brahmos, look at the fins.

Compare with the fins on CM-400AKG.

Similarly Harpoon and Exocet.

CM-400AKG is simply an obsolete missile.

Shaurya flies like the CM-400AKG and does Mach 7.5.

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

If it was stupid enough to do so, the only implication would be cannon fodder for EFT. Argentina wants it with French avionics but we aren't clearing them for installation by China.

if they can pay.
they would/should rather go for the italian vixen 1000 aesa radar or the Chinese AESA radar being offered in singapore airshow.where they even claimed that putting aesa wont require alot of redesigning.

rc-400 is only better than the present klj-7 and inferior to the block 2 Klj-7v2 in range as well as in modes.
france upgrade cost was 1.6billions dollars for 50 jft only or 32millions per jft.which would have made jft unit cost more than 40-45millions atleast.uneconomic for pakistan which manufacture atleast 15 JFT per year now..

Italy is ready to give aesa and avionics,i am sure they will opt for italy.only if the british doesnt object.
incase of france i think british pressure wont matter.could be the reason why they opted for french avionics

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

You said production with Argentina and UK.





I will repeat this again. CM-400AKG is a land attack cruise missile, not an anti-ship cruise missile.

The most important criteria for such a missile is that the target should be stationary. It follows a ballistic trajectory during its terminal phase. Meaning, it simply falls down. The lack of large fins also show that the missile is meant against land base targets.

This is Brahmos, look at the fins.

Compare with the fins on CM-400AKG.

Similarly Harpoon and Exocet.

CM-400AKG is simply an obsolete missile.

Shaurya flies like the CM-400AKG and does Mach 7.5.

there are 2 variant of cm-400akg.

one with larger fins and the other with shorter.
one is meant for Anti radiation role and the other for antiship role

 

[p2prada]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

there are 2 variant of cm-400akg.

one with larger fins and the other with shorter.
one is meant for Anti radiation role and the other for antiship role

The one that I posted above is the so called "AShM" version. LA version has long lattice fins.

This missile is supposed to be the so called land attack version.