10 most amazing hybrid animals

[devgupt]

The detached stretch above gives the answer why these experiments didn't were continued.

Religious prejudices against any possibility to approach human specie with other monkeys as our most near relatives than that God, which may shake this beliefs

It's not only about god - humans are the only intelligent species in the known universe. Why would we be creating another one ?
Consider the anxiety about development of AI.

 

[Mad Indian]

The detached stretch above gives the answer why these experiments didn't were continued.

Religious prejudices against any possibility to approach human specie with other monkeys as our most near relatives than that God, which may shake this beliefs

"Ethics" has nothing to do with religion or its prejudices?

Probably this is what Religious people mean when they Religion is needed to keep the animal side of man away from him! I am starting to think they have a point!

 

[IBSA]

It's not only about god - humans are the only intelligent species in the known universe. Why would we be creating another one ?
Consider the anxiety about development of AI.

A new intelligent specie, or better, an intelligent hybrid isnt necessarily a risk for us as a new competitor. It would be created in captivity under our control.

This new hybrid could be utilised as guinea pig in labs for vaccine tests in the place of rats or monkeys as having effects more similar to humans. Or be utilised as an intelligent domestic animal in the place of dogs or cats. maybe this hybrid could to speak.

Anxiety before the unknows ever existed, and forever will exist. But this isnt enough to justify abandonment of any enterprise

 

[devgupt]

A new intelligent specie, or better, an intelligent hybrid isnt necessarily a risk for us as a new competitor. It would be created in captivity under our control.

This new hybrid could be utilized as guinea pig in labs for vaccine tests in the place of rats or monkeys as having effects more similar to humans. Or be utilised as an intelligent domestic animal in the place of dogs or cats. maybe this hybrid could to speak.

Anxiety before the unknows ever existed, and forever will exist. But this isn't enough to justify abandonment of any enterprise

Can any intelligent species be kept captive forever?
Even discounting that, sooner or later the clamor to give an intelligent species freedom and 'human rights' will grow specially from jholawallahs

 

[Virendra]

@Known_Unknown, @W.G.Ewald
Gentlemen, you can continue participating in the discussion but please refrain from engaging at personal level. Present your arguments in a civil manner and let there be a match of reasoning.
You are both experienced and responsible posters. It would be unfortunate if the Staff was forced to delete posts or close the thread.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Known_Unknown]

It's not only about god - humans are the only intelligent species in the known universe. Why would we be creating another one ?
Consider the anxiety about development of AI.

The question is not "why should we do it", but "why should we not do it". Every endeavour in science is absolutely worthwhile unless there are concrete ethical reasons to abstain from pursuing it.

Tell me, are there any ethical reasons not to find out if a "Humanzee" or "Chuman" is possible?

If humanity didn't have any ethical qualms about developing the A-bomb, which was knowingly created specifically for the purpose of massacring millions of human beings, what ethical issues could one possibly raise about inter-species breeding?

"Ethics" has nothing to do with religion or its prejudices?

Probably this is what Religious people mean when they Religion is needed to keep the animal side of man away from him! I am starting to think they have a point!

Anything specific you want to discuss or is it just a vague fear of the unknown?

 

[Known_Unknown]

Can any intelligent species be kept captive forever?
Even discounting that, sooner or later the clamor to give an intelligent species freedom and 'human rights' will grow specially from jholawallahs

There is no reason to keep Humanzees or Chumans captive forever. If that new species if truly comparable in intelligence to humans, they should be treated as part of the human race! After all, chimps share 99.4% of their DNA with us!

 

[Razor]

No. As pointed out earlier by @Mad Indian and others, the product of such unions are usually sterile.

 

[Known_Unknown]

^^What does sterility have to do with it? Do you treat a sterile man or woman as less than human?

 

[Razor]

^^What does sterility have to do with it? Do you treat a sterile man or woman as less than human?

I'm looking at the entire species, not a particular humanzee. If they are sterile, they will not be able to reproduce and hence, their species as a whole will not be able to evolve.

 

[Known_Unknown]

^^If they are an intelligent species, they will find a way around it. Humanzees may be sterile, but Chumans may not (the difference is whether the offspring is from a male human and female chimp or vice versa). For example:

Liger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Male ligers also have the same levels of testosterone on average as an adult male lion, yet are azoospermic (have low fertility) in accordance with Haldane's rule. In addition, female ligers may also attain great size, weighing approximately 320 kg (705 lb) and reaching 3.05 m (10 ft) long on average, and are often fertile. In contrast, pumapards (hybrids between pumas and leopards) tend to exhibit dwarfism.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

@Known_Unknown, @W.G.Ewald
Gentlemen, you can continue participating in the discussion but please refrain from engaging at personal level. Present your arguments in a civil manner and let there be a match of reasoning.
You are both experienced and responsible posters. It would be unfortunate if the Staff was forced to delete posts or close the thread.

Regards,
Virendra

Would it be too personal to suggest Known_Unknown use Sasquatch as his avatar?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The detached stretch above gives the answer why these experiments didn't were continued.

Religious prejudices against any possibility to approach human specie with other monkeys as our most near relatives than that God, which may shake this beliefs

The futile search for Bigfoot - Science/Technology - NewsObserver.com

The picture historians and sociologists have pieced together is that Bigfoot and other shaggy humanoids are cultural inventions that we have repeatedly conjured so that there's always something wild and mysterious in the woods.

No fossil record

The cryptozoological faithful are convinced that monstrous beings must be out there, just out of reach.

If you browse the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization website, for example, you'll find more excuses than hard evidence. Despite the ubiquity of smartphone cameras and the accessibility of camera traps, there are no clear photographs of the mythical ape.

The site asserts that sightings are fleeting because Sasquatches are smart enough to avoid unwanted pictures. As for the lack of a body or bones: "No serious work has ever been done to look for remains of surviving wood apes in areas where they are rumored to reside," the BFRO website says.

If Bigfoot – also called Sasquatch – were real, there would be ways to detect the creature's existence. For one thing, there would be a fossil record of large apes moving into North America, probably from Pleistocene Asia. But fossil nonhuman apes have never been found in North America.

Field biologists study elusive living species by using camera traps, analyzing genetic data from scat, and following footprints. There should be a wealth of compelling evidence from such sources – but all we have is an abundance of purported sightings.

Given the number that Sasquatch clubs busy themselves with, I should be able to look out my window each morning and see Sasquatch families raiding my trash cans for leftovers. Bigfoot aficionados protest that they have found tracks, hair, and other evidence. But photos show nothing more than a lack of rational skepticism.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The detached stretch above gives the answer why these experiments didn't were continued.

Religious prejudices against any possibility to approach human specie with other monkeys as our most near relatives than that God, which may shake this beliefs

The futile search for Bigfoot - Science/Technology - NewsObserver.com

The picture historians and sociologists have pieced together is that Bigfoot and other shaggy humanoids are cultural inventions that we have repeatedly conjured so that there's always something wild and mysterious in the woods.

No fossil record

The cryptozoological faithful are convinced that monstrous beings must be out there, just out of reach.

If you browse the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization website, for example, you'll find more excuses than hard evidence. Despite the ubiquity of smartphone cameras and the accessibility of camera traps, there are no clear photographs of the mythical ape.

The site asserts that sightings are fleeting because Sasquatches are smart enough to avoid unwanted pictures. As for the lack of a body or bones: "No serious work has ever been done to look for remains of surviving wood apes in areas where they are rumored to reside," the BFRO website says.

If Bigfoot – also called Sasquatch – were real, there would be ways to detect the creature's existence. For one thing, there would be a fossil record of large apes moving into North America, probably from Pleistocene Asia. But fossil nonhuman apes have never been found in North America.

Field biologists study elusive living species by using camera traps, analyzing genetic data from scat, and following footprints. There should be a wealth of compelling evidence from such sources – but all we have is an abundance of purported sightings.

Given the number that Sasquatch clubs busy themselves with, I should be able to look out my window each morning and see Sasquatch families raiding my trash cans for leftovers. Bigfoot aficionados protest that they have found tracks, hair, and other evidence. But photos show nothing more than a lack of rational skepticism.

To say that humans should interbreed with sub-human primates in the first place, and then to add that offspring of such unions would refute the existence of God, is surely a pitiful attempt at humor. But we have people who think that same sex unions are OK, or surgically changing their sex is right, so who knows what the future mankind may be.

[Edit] I just have to assume that DFI members who want to copulate with apes have given up on women. Sad.

Cassio shall have my place. And, sir, tonight,
I do entreat that we may sup together:
You are welcome, sir, to Cyprus.--Goats and monkeys!

-- Othello

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

On January 3, 1889, Nietzsche suffered a mental collapse. Two policemen approached him after he caused a public disturbance in the streets of Turin. What happened remains unknown, but an often-repeated tale states that Nietzsche witnessed the flogging of a horse at the other end of the Piazza Carlo Alberto, ran to the horse, threw his arms up around its neck to protect it, and then collapsed to the ground.[80]...Despite a proposal to Lou Salomé, Nietzsche never married. The Nietzsche scholar Joachim Köhler has attempted to explain Nietzsche's life history and philosophy by claiming that Nietzsche was a homosexual. Köhler argues that Nietzsche's syphilis, which is "usually considered to be the product of his encounter with a prostitute in a brothel in Cologne or Leipzig, is equally likely, it is now held, to have been contracted in a male brothel in Genoa".[113] Köhler also suggests Nietzsche may have had a romantic relationship as well as a friendship with Paul Rée. Köhler's views have not found wide acceptance among Nietzsche scholars and commentators: in The Journal of Modern History, Allan Megill argues that "Köhler does establish that the claim that Nietzsche was a man in confrontation with homosexual desire cannot simply be dismissed" but notes that "the evidence is very weak" and argues that Köhler may be projecting twentieth-century understandings of sexuality on nineteenth-century notions of friendship.[114] Other scholars have argued that Köhler's sexuality-based interpretation isn't fruitful in understanding Nietzsche's philosophy.[115][116]

Friedrich Nietzsche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Was the Uebermensch a humanzee?

 

[Mad Indian]

No. As pointed out earlier by @Mad Indian and others, the product of such unions are usually sterile.

I dont think that is even possible. Humans and Chimps belong to different genus Homo and Pan respectively- and hence such an union wont produce offsprings I think!

Homo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mad Indian]

Chumans may not (the difference is whether the offspring is from a male human and female chimp or vice versa). For example:

:shocked: You want to impregnate a Human with a Chimp?

[Edit] I just have to assume that DFI members who want to copulate with apes have given up on women. Sad.

Count me out

 

[Mad Indian]

Would it be too personal to suggest Known_Unknown use Sasquatch as his avatar?

Dont take it personal sir, but many educated Indians believe that , had Hitler had not started WW2, we would not have got independance in the first place! We kind of owe our existance as a free nation to him indirectly, and so he is not as evil as he is to you , to us!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

:shocked: You want to impregnate a Human with a Chimp?



Count me out

You must be a religious nut with beliefs rooted in the the medieval age; get with the present times. :-D

 

[W.G.Ewald]

A new intelligent specie, or better, an intelligent hybrid isnt necessarily a risk for us as a new competitor. It would be created in captivity under our control.

This new hybrid could be utilised as guinea pig in labs for vaccine tests in the place of rats or monkeys as having effects more similar to humans. Or be utilised as an intelligent domestic animal in the place of dogs or cats. maybe this hybrid could to speak.

Anxiety before the unknows ever existed, and forever will exist. But this isnt enough to justify abandonment of any enterprise

Those silly abrahamic religions have this to say, if your'e interested.

Encyclopedia of Jewish Medical Ethics: A Compilation of Jewish Medical Law ... - Avraham Steinberg, Fred Rosner - Google Books