Beijing offers sweetener for Thailand to buy submarines

[amoy]

Beijing offers sweetener for Thailand to buy Chinese subs｜WantChinaTimes.com
China Pitches S-26T Submarine for Royal Thai Navy Contract | Defence blog

The state-run China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation officially introduced its S-26T submarine to the defense ministry of Thailand on Jan. 12 to strengthen the military-to-military relationship between Beijing and Bangkok, according to Duowei News, an outlet operated by overseas Chinese.

After the decommissioning of the Royal Thai Navy's four Matchanu-class submarines, the nation has not operated submarines for more than 60 years. Now, however, some officials in the country's military government believe submarines are needed to defend the nation's freedom of navigation in the Gulf of Thailand. To rebuild its submarine fleet, the government decided to buy two or three submarines in Fiscal year 2016. China is the third nation to demonstrate interest in selling submarines to Thailand, after France and South Korea.

By selling submarines to Thailand, China aims to gain a potential political and defense partner in South China Sea disputes with its neighbors at a time when Vietnam is also purchasing Kilo-class submarines from Russia.

Prawit off to China to build defence ties | Bangkok Post: news

A ministry source said the two countries are expected to hold talks on the Thai plan to re-equip the Royal Thai Navy fleet with two diesel-engine submarines after the last fleet was decommissioned in 1951.

The budget for the modernisation of the navy is around 36 billion baht.

The Yuan Class submarine is on Thailand's possible purchasing list. Other potential sellers of underwater craft are Germany and South Korea.

The navy renewed a push to buy two submarines late last year with strong support from the defence minister, and China has offered its version with financing which could be repaid in 10 years.

 

[amoy]

Chinese win bid to supply subs to navy

The navy has picked Chinese submarines costing 12 billion baht each to be commissioned in the force, a source on the procurement committee says. The majority of the 17-strong committee voted to buy three Chinese submarines, saying it was the "best value for money".

The source said China beat other competitors as it offered subs equipped with superior weaponry and technology. Its subs are also able to stay underwater longer.

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[blueblood]

^^^^^^ Congrats. Submarines can be considered a major export unlike trainers to Africa or JF-17 to Pakistan.


Although some pretty interesting comments on the site. Especially the ones related to the depth of gulf of Thailand.

 

[amoy]

Chinese L-15 falcon lost to Korean T-50 trainers in the bid

THAILAND ORDERS T-50 TRAINERS
* NEWS CATCH, TRAINERS2015/09/17AIRHEADS/EHLEAVE A COMMENT


Thailand has signed a contract with Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) for the purchase of four T-50 Golden Eagle jet trainers, as announced on Thursday 17 September. The order is worth 110 million USD.

The aircraft should be delivered from 2017 onwards. The T-50 is already in service in South Korea and Indonesia, while Iraq and the Philippines have also ordered the type. The Thai deal marks a significant success for KAI in the very competitive trainer market. In Thailand, the T-50 is set to replace the Aero Vodochody L-39 Albatros trainer.

© 2015 Airheadsfly.com editor Elmer van Hest
Featured image: A KAI T-50 during a test flight. (Image © Dennis Spronk)

 

[amoy]

Prawit confirms submarine purchase

Naval students look at a model submarine at a vessel technology exhibition in Nonthaburi province early this year.

Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwon has confirmed the navy will buy submarines from China at 12 billion baht each, starting with the fiscal 2017 budget. The purchases would be made one at a time, Gen Prawit...

The selected type of Chinese submarine was a good vessel and came with new technology, Gen Prawit said at Government House on Friday.

He was responding to questions about reports the navy would acquire three Yuan class S26T submarines from China. The price tag of 12-billion-baht each was not high, given their long service life, when financed through a 10-year tied...

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~~Still waters run deep. ~~from my MiPad using tapatalk

 

[amoy]

Thailand looks to buy new transport planes to replace ageing C-130H Hercules

BANGKOK, Sept. 16 (Xinhua) -- The Thai Air Force is looking to procure a new fleet of transport aircraft in near future, an Air Force source said on Friday.

Competition for the planned procurement of new transport planes might probably emerge between Shaanxi Aircraft Corporation Y-9 and Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules, said the source who spoke on condition of anonymity.

ZDK-03 based on Y-9

However, rivalry might as well arise from a third manufacturing country apart from China and the United States, whereas details of the procurement plan are yet to be formulated, he said.

Retiring Air Force chief Trithod Sonchaeng confirmed earlier that his service was looking to buy a new fleet of turboprop-engined transport aircraft to replace a dozen C-130H Hercules transport planes, deployed by the Thai Air Force since 1980.

His successor, newly-named Air Force chief Jom Roongsawang who is scheduled to assume the post next month, is likely to take into account such aircraft procurement plans, the source said.

Over the last several years, 15 countries have placed orders for 300 C-130J transport planes, in production line at Lockheed Martin since 1996.

Shaanxi Aircraft Corportion modernized the Y-9 as variant from the Y-8 with updated technology in avionics and cargo handling systems.

Myanmar, the western neighbor to Thailand, currently deploys 10 Y-8 transport planes, the predecessor version of the Y-9.

Though funding and time frames for the planned procurement of new transport aircraft are yet to be determined, the ageing fleet of C-130H Hercules will almost certainly be decommissioned in the next several years, the source said.

The C-130J Super Hercules is reported to cost 100 million to 120 million U.S. dollars per unit while the selling price for the Shaanxi Y-9 is not available yet.

Earlier this month, a Shaanxi Y-9 transport plane joined a multi-national, non-combat exercise codenamed AM-HEx 2016 at U-tapao naval air base in eastern Thailand.

The Chinese air force took part in the humanitarian aid and disaster relief exercise alongside those of Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore and the host country.

Viewed as a derivative of the Antonov An-12, the Shaanxi Y-9 can carry 25 tons of cargo and 106 passengers or 132 paratroopers.

Late last month, two Russian-built transport planes were delivered to the Thai Air Force. The Sukhoi Superjet 100LR transport planes, each of which was sold for 34 million U.S. dollars, will fly as a passenger plane for members of the Royal Household and other VIPs.

They were meant to join the Air Force's Boeing 737 and Airbus aircraft currently deployed on similar purposes.

 

[Tshering22]

^^^^^^ Congrats. Submarines can be considered a major export unlike trainers to Africa or JF-17 to Pakistan.


Although some pretty interesting comments on the site. Especially the ones related to the depth of gulf of Thailand.

We are nowhere close to that to call even that as small.

Remind me how many indigenously designed and developed weapons do we export.

 

[amoy]

Thai navy signs Bt13.5-bn deal for Chinese submarine
May 05, 2017 15:35 By The Nation

The Royal Thai Navy on Friday signed a Bt13.5-billion deal to buy the first Chinese-made submarine from state-owned China Shipbuilding and Offshore International (CSOC) in Beijing, marking the start of a programme to buy a total of three submarines.

The navy has announced plans to build docking facilities for submarines both in the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman Sea.

The model of the ordered submarine at the contract signing venue.

 

[kenyannoobie]

There's no way to save money or cut costs when going into the sub biz! The purchase price incorporates training but not the compulsory shore based sub support facility for stores,dry docking,maintenance and the millions worth of equipment.
Another 150 mn $ minimum!

Now you can see why RSA in 2000 elected to buy 3 German 209s purely so as not to lose the sub operating ability.

 

[amoy]

In a few years, Southeast Asian navies will be operating at least 18 modern submarines, and more may be on the way. It sounds a gospel for submarine exporters . :biggrin2:

The myth of the submarine “arms race” in Southeast Asia

Painting a cycle of active-reactive arming as an “arms race” makes it appear that governments are caught in an inescapable and irresolvable vicious circle that is beyond their control. The human element is effectively removed, since leaders have “no choice” but to match their neighbors’ arming.

The Proliferation of Submarines in Southeast Asia

A common meme of “arms racing in the Asia-Pacific” is the growing number of modern diesel-electric submarines proliferating throughout Southeast Asia. This proliferation is both quantitative and qualitative. Regional militaries have been acquiring subs at a reasonably steady state over the past two decades or so: more navies are buying submarines, and they are buying more of them.

Singapore, Malaysia, and Vietnam, for example, never owned any submarines until a few years ago; now Malaysia has two submarines, Singapore has a fleet of four boats, and Vietnam is taking delivery of six Kilo-class subs from Russia. Thailand, which hasn’t operated a submarine since the 1950s, plans to buy three Yuan-class boats from China, while Indonesia is in the process of replacing its two obsolete German Type-209 submarines with three modern boats acquired from South Korea (one of which will be built in Indonesia).

What’s more, many of these submarines are among the most modern types to be had. Singapore, for example, is acquiring two Type-218SG submarines from Germany, equipped with fuel cells for air-independent propulsion (AIP), meaning that they can remain submerged much longer than most diesel-electric subs before they have to surface to recharge their batteries. Thailand’s new Chinese submarines could also be AIP-equipped.

Southeast Asia’s newest submarines are also equipped with advanced hull-mounted active and passive sonar, anechoic tiles and modern designs for improved quieting, more effective torpedoes, and even the ability to launch anti-ship cruise missiles. Subs are also versatile platforms for espionage, special forces operations, and minelaying.

 

[kenyannoobie]

In a few years, Southeast Asian navies will be operating at least 18 modern submarines, and more may be on the way. It sounds a gospel for submarine exporters . :biggrin2:

The myth of the submarine “arms race” in Southeast Asia

Painting a cycle of active-reactive arming as an “arms race” makes it appear that governments are caught in an inescapable and irresolvable vicious circle that is beyond their control. The human element is effectively removed, since leaders have “no choice” but to match their neighbors’ arming.

The Proliferation of Submarines in Southeast Asia

A common meme of “arms racing in the Asia-Pacific” is the growing number of modern diesel-electric submarines proliferating throughout Southeast Asia. This proliferation is both quantitative and qualitative. Regional militaries have been acquiring subs at a reasonably steady state over the past two decades or so: more navies are buying submarines, and they are buying more of them.

Singapore, Malaysia, and Vietnam, for example, never owned any submarines until a few years ago; now Malaysia has two submarines, Singapore has a fleet of four boats, and Vietnam is taking delivery of six Kilo-class subs from Russia. Thailand, which hasn’t operated a submarine since the 1950s, plans to buy three Yuan-class boats from China, while Indonesia is in the process of replacing its two obsolete German Type-209 submarines with three modern boats acquired from South Korea (one of which will be built in Indonesia).

What’s more, many of these submarines are among the most modern types to be had. Singapore, for example, is acquiring two Type-218SG submarines from Germany, equipped with fuel cells for air-independent propulsion (AIP), meaning that they can remain submerged much longer than most diesel-electric subs before they have to surface to recharge their batteries. Thailand’s new Chinese submarines could also be AIP-equipped.

Southeast Asia’s newest submarines are also equipped with advanced hull-mounted active and passive sonar, anechoic tiles and modern designs for improved quieting, more effective torpedoes, and even the ability to launch anti-ship cruise missiles. Subs are also versatile platforms for espionage, special forces operations, and minelaying.

Even Bangladesh has 2 old Mings! This guy is obviously a gora with his arrogant assumptions. "However, the Bangladesh Navy’s limited maintenance capability and low enlisted technical education almost certainly doom these submarines to pier-queen status."
http://thediplomat.com/2016/12/submarines-in-the-bangladesh-navy-acquired-deterrence-or-strategic-misstep/

But,I also wonder. Any Bangladeshis to expound?