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    India Army has more than 2400 T-72 tanks. IA is ready to invest millions of US $ for up gradation of these obsolete T-72 tanks but will not accept Arjun.

    It is also a fact that 70-80% of T-72 tanks are night blind. Is it about getting lot of commissions from the Russians??


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    Images: MBT Arjun Interiors


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    Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

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    Present CAS is a cheat(anda choor) so will be his team. No hopes till all of them are retired or court-marshaled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSG_Blackcats View Post
    India Army has more than 2400 T-72 tanks. IA is ready to invest millions of US $ for up gradation of these obsolete T-72 tanks but will not accept Arjun.

    It is also a fact that 70-80% of T-72 tanks are night blind. Is it about getting lot of commissions from the Russians??
    If you read a few posts above I have given reasons why the Arjun will not fit the IA's requirements.

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    Stupid journalists, these pic should nt have been posted at all, this give away our secrets............

    Crew of Markava tank paid with their lives, when the pics of Markava were posted on website which allowed the Palestinian and hisbulla fighters to study its weekness.........

    These journalist some times forget what to public or release and what not............

    I remember Shiv arror posted the pic showing exact position where the amo is stored in arjun tank......

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    Guys check the pipe, which is connected to the exhaust, it appears that this is made to get over water obstacle.......

    check out this pic of Arjun tank taken at Defexpo 08 (BTW i am standing before the tank) check out the exhaust..........

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    Arjun tank is defiantly going places

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    Army to spend billions on outdated T-72 tanks

    Ajai Shukla / New Delhi February 03, 2010, 23:48 IST
    Foreign upgrade for T-72 chosen over indigenous Arjun tank.


    The Indian Army chief’s concern that India’s tank fleet was largely incapable of fighting at night highlighted only a part of the problem with the Russian T-72, the army’s main tank. In fact, the T-72 is in far worse shape than General Deepak Kapoor let on last month.

    Another signal of the T-72’s obsolescence was its recent withdrawal, by the army’s Directorate General of Mechanised Forces (DGMF), from next month’s comparative trials with the indigenous Arjun tank. An embarrassed DGMF has realised that, without major refurbishing, the T-72 was not in the Arjun’s class.

    But in the army’s long-term planning, the T-72 — which the more advanced T-90 will replace only gradually — will continue to equip almost half of the army’s 59 tank regiments as far in the future as 2022.

    Business Standard has accessed a sheaf of technical reports and funding requests that actually quantify the state of the T-72. Exactly 32 years have passed since the first T-72s arrived in India; army guidelines stipulate 32 years as the service life of a tank. The earliest tanks from the army’s 2,418-strong T-72 inventory should have already been retired, making way for a more modern tank, such as the T-90 or the Arjun.

    Instead, the DGMF — longstanding advocates of Russian equipment — plans to spend Rs 5 crore per T-72, hoping to add another 15-20 years to that tank’s service life by replacing crucial systems, such as its fire control system, main engine and night vision devices.

    The military’s Annual Acquisition Plan for 2008-2010 (AAP 2008-10) lists out the cost of modernising the T-72 fleet as follows:



    New 1000-horsepower engines (identical to the T-90 tank) to replace the T-72’s old 780-horsepower engines. The cost of each engine: Rs 3 crore.

    Thermal Imaging Fire Control Systems (TIFCS) that will allow the T-72 gunners to observe and fight at night. Each TIFCS will cost Rs 1.4 crore.

    Thermal Imaging (TI) sights to provide T-72 tank commanders with night vision. Each TI sight costs Rs 0.4 crore.

    An auxillary power unit (APU) to generate power for the tank’s electrical systems. Each APU will cost Rs 0.16 crore.
    The Rs 5-crore cost of upgrading each T-72 knocks out the argument that the T-72 — at Rs 9 crore apiece — is value-for-money. Retrofitting upgraded systems will escalate the cost of the T-72 to Rs 14 crore. In contrast, a new Arjun, with a 1,500 horsepower engine, state-of-the-art integrated electronics, and the indigenous, widely praised Kanchan armour, can be had for a marginally more expensive Rs 16.8 crore.


    “It is folly to stick with Russian tanks despite having developed the Arjun, and the design capability to continuously improve it?” says Lt Gen Ajai Singh, who headed the army’s Directorate of Combat Vehicles before becoming Governor of Assam. “India can tailor the Arjun to our specific requirements and continuously upgrade the tank to keep it state-of-the-art. Why upgrade old T-72s? It is time to bring in the Arjun.”

    The T-72’s galloping obsolescence is magnified by the MoD’s failure to overhaul tanks on schedule: Some 800 T-72s are years overdue for overhaul. Originally, each T-72 was to be overhauled twice during its service life of 32 years. But as the overhaul agencies — the Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi; and 505 Army Base Workshop, Delhi — failed to meet their overhaul targets of 70 and 50 tanks, respectively, the army decided that one overhaul was good enough. And, with even that schedule not implemented, a desperate MoD has approached Indian industry to play a role in overhauling the T-72 fleet.

    The total expenditure on the T-72 tank, budgeted for AAP 2008-10, is over Rs 5000 crore. The cost of overhaul has not been accurately determined.
    This si getting more and more ridiculous day by day there is no merit in spending 5 Cr to refurbish a T-72 when we have a new tank waiting to take it's place.The T-90 can stay but the arjun should be given it's due after decommissioning the T-72
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    Quote Originally Posted by bengalraider View Post
    This si getting more and more ridiculous day by day there is no merit in spending 5 Cr to refurbish a T-72 when we have a new tank waiting to take it's place.The T-90 can stay but the arjun should be given it's due after decommissioning the T-72
    I hope Antony will do something about it and push Arjun down the Army's throat. What Army is doing doesn't make sense at all. MoD can give Army more money to replace the logistics system of T-72 with that of Arjun if logistics that big a issue. That way all our money will be well spent and will also get more bang per buck compared to upgraded T-72 which will still fall short of Arjun's capabilities.
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    May be the army is acting like this because it wants to replace T72 with T95s. Of-course no one knows when it will come out!
    So the army should at least induct another 400 arjuns so that DRDO gets the required encouragement and starts working on Arjun MK2. Don't think such a decision would adversely affect army's plans (if this indeed is the reason). This way hopefully when T95 is out Arjun MK2 will also be out and army can decide among them by a similar comparative trial.

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    Why are they still sticking on to T-72 is not understandable? Arjun will be soon under comparative trials against Russian T-90s, with improved electronics, engine and firing system and one of the best known for its Armor and Maneuverability ....It will no doubt outsmart T-90s....If that comes out as a result of the trials ....Then why spend so much on T-72 ? Why not pump in money for Arjun's Production facilities/Infrastructure for faster production.....!! Sheer wastage of money for selfish gains!!

    or it has something to do with Tank EX Project?
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