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Those next gen systems are based on bmp and leo, but are completely modernized regarding stealth, fire control and night vision. Also possibilty to upgrade to unmanned versions was considered, but it was found out to be too expensive to implement. Both have better crew protection with layout of...

35mm, 9 rounds per second per barrel, 1400 m/s sabot for anti armour....1080 rounds per minute....max range four km.

Finnish defense forces have acknowledged the superior capabilities of Armata and produced our own version of next generation battle tank, both light and heavy versions.

Battle preciding winter war? LMAO...what battle might that be? Do not embarrass yourself more, please.

Yeah, sure...you're knowledge on Winter War is in the same level as my knowledge of Mumbai district heating systems...

Finland had a group, whose name was magnificently Panzer Division. This armored division was called "Marshal's fist". The division commander of the Mannerheim Cross Knight Ruben Lagus trained his units spirit and competence world-class set of - which was to be used as a whole (artillery...

I guess you have never heard the phrase "figure of speech"? "the guy who jumped me was the size of a house "

I laugh at the Soviet technology, that is nothing without good users. In 1944 Great battles, Finnish Sturm IIIs destroyed 87 Soviet latest T-34 85s and Klims and ISs with the loss of 6 own Sturms. That is kill ratio of over 10:1. I do not see any change in that regard with current forces/...

2006 Israelis lost many tanks. If it protects against Kornet etc...it should be good.

No tanks were damaged during Operation Protective Edge, with the Trophy Active Protection system performing over a dozen interceptions of anti-tank weapons including Kornets, Metis and RPG-29.[31] The system, by identifying the source of fire, on occasion also allowed tanks to kill the Hamas...

The real new breakthrough in tanks is not Armata, but Israeli tank protection system....they did not loose any tanks in previous campaign in Gaza...

Maybe they will get their salaries in Armatas? Beats family Lada in those weekend trips to Dacha.... On a serious note, I am very worried about Russian economy. It could become worse than 1998 with no fast recovery on sight. Well, we got space for Russian refugees also.

Does not look very stable compared to Leo 2, maybe it is built according to Russia tradition of "always miss the first shot" ;)

I also wish it never needed. I am not boasting, just saying what happened. In Finland we have great respect for Russian Army. But we have also for last hundred years prepared against one enemy only: Russia. Ukraine was part of Soviet Union for 80 years....we are different.

Yeah it is just a theory, in our army for one Leo 2 battle group there are three BMP 2s or CV9030s with thirty men and twelve NLAWs. They all work together as a team. What do you think they can do? The real number is that for one Leo2 lost they can take 6 to 8 Russian tanks. We are not Ukraine...

We are not a tank country like Ukraine. Our country is full of lakes, forests and swamps. In north of Finland 500 km of border with Russia and only three roads... 250 Leo 2s is enough and remember that Germans designed one Leo to take at least three Russian tanks. Regarding Serbia, I hope they...

We parade proudly what we want. Those tanks are paid with hard cash, 200 M€ for 100 of them. We are quite proud of our armoured brigades 250 Leo 2s are quite a force. Especially compared to our war time tank division where the core were war trophy t-34s and Klims, together with german jagdpanzer...

Finnish counterpart, costs 2M€

For a tank with automated turret, that thing in HUGE!. What happened to old Russian principle of keeping things simple? Trying to compete with west in quality? wtf? Never gonna happen. Like Stalin said quantity has a quality all its own.

I wonder how many APILAS or NLAW hits those sensors can take. Whole concept with auto everything is pretty risky.