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They had better order P17AU/Bs whilst these lines are still purring. The reason there’s an inordinate delay and cost escalation every time with these new classes is there is always a huge gap between works IAC-1/P75 successors will effectively be starting from scratch. Production lines are...

Pure hopium. They’ll come late with no additional capabilities. Typical Indian military project management

Why? Just because they make decent PR? Just because the U.K. wants to offload R&D costs onto someone else? P17A are world class, the MFSTAR, LRSAM and Brahmos combination makes these ships amongst the most capable floating around. India doesn’t need to go to anyone else to design or build her...

Yeah no major ship orders in the last 2-3 years means that around 2025-6 all the large ship deliveries to IN will cease by 2025-7 all P-15B, P-17A, 11356 (third batch Talwar) will be handed Over to them along with IAC-1 2025-2030++ IN hits another dry spell with few deliveries of significance...

Never heard of that, interesting. Would be good if it’s ordered before 2025 (around 2023 would be optimal given 2 year lead time) so there’s seamless production from 17A to NGF but that isn’t India’s strongpoint

What is the next generation frigate?

Yes -maybe 6 months late because of COVID-but otherwise on track all 7 will be handed over to the IN by 2025-6

Never talk in absolutes subs are far from obsolete, they are still arguably the best bang for buck offensive platform you can get The ocean is VAST, detecting a sun let alone tracking it is a horrendously difficult job and there are SO many factors that go along with it. It’s not as simple as...

I have to agree. The IN seemed like a bright spot but they are actually (quickly) falling behind and have been increasingly disappointing No minesweepers No SSN (first boat maybe 10 years from now? Who will escort Indian SSBNs until then?) SSKs almost irrelevant outside of the Arabian Sea 2...

I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The AUW of the MH60 is nearly identical (actually a bit more) more than the Sea King, it’s longer too. They are of similar heights and disc area. Anyway this is neither here nor there. It is factually correct to say that the navy has given up the ability to...

The Sea King is 10 tons and the MH60 is designed to be able to fit into the same profile as the Sea King so I wouldn’t classify the sea king as “large” but perhaps the Navy is thinking ahead to the IMRH which will be in the 11-12 ton class

The comparison I can make is the T45s of the Royal Navy. At 8,700tons they are ever so slightly larger than P17As and they too have reverted back to a single hanger but it is a single large hanger that can house 1 EH101 or 2 Wildcats (roughly ALH class). So it seems to me the P17As will be able...

The more I think about it the more the single hanger makes no sense and if it is the case then the Navy has made an inexcusable mistake. - predecessor class with near identical profile and less automation has 2 hangers - for ASW helos are essential, having only 1 means that if the sole helo...

On the whole VERY impressive stuff regarding P17A + block construction across multiple sites across India. Massively expedites construction as well as reducing the number of single points of failure. This is exactly who the QE class was built by BAE. Hopefully this is the way all future large...

Less than two years of work, pretty impressive progress. Can’t judge right now- both GRSE and MDL say they will deliver on time.

In the Indian context destroyers were command vessels with a heavier focus on anti-ship roles, frigates were more multi role with all round capabilities but perhaps a heavier focus on ASW. It is certainly true that the P-15A/B and P-17A have dramatically blurred the lines between destroyer and...

What’s the logic in not having the 127mm guns for in the class? Couldn’t just order 4 more guns?

86mm SRGM, I thought P-17As were getting 127mm main guns? And still the same old LW-08 VSR :frusty::frusty: Yes, a HUGE and costly oversight, a ten year gap between P-17 and P-17A is CRIMINAL but this is what you get when you place peicemeal order for 3-4 ships at a time. What benefit does...

IST bro, IST! ------------------

New minesweepers won't come before 2022/3, no contract has even been signed as of yet.....