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  1. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Do you really think that they would get the same variant as the one operated by PLAAF? I seriously think that they would build in downgrades. No country sells the same level of weapons as their own air forces.
  2. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Let's over-estimate to be better prepared. But privately, it is safe to assume that no crashes are reported. Their "social harmony" policy ensures no negative news comes out in the open.
  3. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    All their secrecy indicates this, but it is difficult to prove since nothing comes out of China. But tell me this; even we use the Saturn AL-31 engines in our Su-30 MKIs but they seem to be pretty good for us. Some time ago, I read an interview from the former ACM (Fali Homi Major or PV Naik I...
  4. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    No one is bashing the Chinese capability. The fact that they are capable of enhancing the Flankers using different innovations of their own proves that they are a credible force and prefer practicality over reinventing the wheel. Right now if a war breaks out, Chinese have ready factories and...
  5. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Pakistan did not have any other option, guys. US was not giving the Block 52s; India pressured France and Russia to not sell them any jets, leaving only Eurofighters, that were costlier than Mirage 2Ks and anything ever that Russia produced. China also did not want to hand over the J-10 to...
  6. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    The NATO availability is closer to 85%. Tejas' availability is around 80-82% according to some online reports. That should tell you that we have a very credible platform. We did take 35 years due to various genuine reasons but we have a reliable jet.
  7. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    What I meant is that these countries don't need soft loans to buy a couple of dozen Jeff Sataras. Azerbaijan, Serbia, Nigeria and even Malaysia. They are not rich, that's a given but they are in way better a position than Pakistan to pay with something if not with cash. Chinese want resources...
  8. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    What makes you think WS-13 will be costlier than RD-93? Even if it is, Chinese will try to promote it for greater customer markets. Their stock for RD-93s is exclusively for current inventories in PAF. At this point, Pakistanis don't care what or how they get the jet as long as they can use...
  9. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Pakistanis are not going to be paying for it since their current program is itself running on Chinese soft loans. But countries like Nigeria, Angola, Azerbaijan have decent oil wealth and they will happily pay. Nigeria has already started inducting FC-1s in their Air Force and have already...
  10. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Chances are that China wants to do away with the RD-93 engines that they bought so that they can export more of their engines in the near future, hence the pressure on Pakistan to continue with the same.
  11. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Wasn't there a discussion on the Pee forum that the WS-13 would power it as soon as it was granted a certification? I guess the re-engining is just restricted for Pakistan since the JFs that they are assembling are also with CCP's loans. If China does manage to secure some contracts in Africa...
  12. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Right now, the only advantage that the Pakistanis have is a more mature manufacturing line than Tejas'. This allows them to make their jets available any time during a war, compared to Tejas which is yet to have an established solid production line. HAL cannot make it beyond 10 right now, even...
  13. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    It is interesting to see how these aircraft would be deployed if at all PAF has a turnaround plan for their stationing. By turnaround I mean owing to the recent threats from their western borders, technically the nation's air force must station these jets closer to Afghan border especially since...
  14. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    ^^^ "Never underestimate your enemy"-- Sun Tzu J-10 is a mystery fighter and we don't know much about it so let's not be hasty. While it may not match Su-35 BM but it got a B version to if not defeat at least match the Su-30 series. Chinese are rapidly researching in AESA radars and it would be...
  15. Tshering22

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    In the past there have been many fighters that are not meant for the specific roles but have met with astounding success courtesy the pilots that fly it. Now due to broken economy, the clocking hours of PAF pilots must be very less as compared to what we clock on IAF (around 300 hours I have...
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