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  1. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    I've answered your question. There is no rule that says that we need to buy the best available weapon. We need to formulate the best possible holistic solution to our needs. Do you eat in 5 star restro every day because is is the best food or do you buy whatever suits your budget? Seems like...
  2. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    Tell me one branch of Indian military that isn't making compromises with domestic products? Our soldiers uses the INSAS despite quality issues, many lay down their lives because of this faulty weapon. Still they never sit on a virtual dharna like the IAF does, they never blackmail the nation for...
  3. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    I'm not expecting American companies to care about Indian interests, I am expecting Indian government to care about Indian interests. We can't stop anyone from selling to anyone but we can stop buying from them. Other options ke baat chodo, first tell me whether we even considered any options...
  4. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    Do you know this story? When India became independent, Nehru said that the leader of the army must be a British because Indians don't have any experience in running an army that time someone said that we also lack experience in running a country so maybe our Prime Minister must be British. That...
  5. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    It is not some stray dog that has told me some fairy tale. It is well documented, this the reason Avinash Chander was humiliated and fired, this was the reason the IAF was forced to buy Tejas, they were still refusing to buy this 'dirty Indian plane'. Just because IAF tells you that we need to...
  6. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    You are an senior forum member, I presume you also frequent other forums, are you not aware that there is a nexus between IAF and foreign weapons contractors? has the IAF not deliberately stalled our indigenous projects? There are so many experts who have written about it with evidence. One can...
  7. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    Sabh ne mann bana hi liya hai toh discussion karne me kya matlab hai, karo bhai jo karna hai karo. Army knows what's best for army, IAF knows what's best for IAF, government knows what's best for government, what's the point of having a discussion forum then? Ek kaam karte hai, sabh forum band...
  8. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    All I'm saying is that I didn't expect such strong lobbying for American weapons at least from in this forum. If unpaid, unbiased independent observers on internet forums can be so tilted in favor of the US then I can only imagine what kind of efforts the paid agents might be making to influence...
  9. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    This ie exactly why I don't like the IAF. They keep making a lot of demands which are in contravention to nation policies, self-reliance being one of them.
  10. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    If that were possible then I'd have no problems, but strategic relations are one way tunnels with no scope for U turns. Indira signed a deal with Soviets in 1970s and they cultivated so much domestic clout in our politics that we are still struggling to shake off Russian influence. Even last...
  11. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    No. What I'm saying is get the tech and apply it to AMCA. No need to buy Raptors in a package deal. For example recently we bought some sort of 'fast coating' technique from Russia for our assault rifles. The claim of American 'best tech' is a folly. They also have made new radars to detect...
  12. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    If they are selling tech off the shelf then no problem. Like X $ for carbon composite technology, Y $ for stealth technology. No problem with that. But this excuse of buying american weapons as a means to get tech is false equivalence. We will be subsidizing their weapons industry on a large...
  13. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    Not co-operating itself is a leverage. "You amend your policies only then we allow your companies to enter Indian market." That's the leverage. You see what Mehbooba Musti is doing to the much more powerful BJP now, w.r.t government formation? that's how leverage is used. An entity, no matter...
  14. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    We have Russian Foxbats and possibly MiG31 Foxhounds in our Tajik base. If we allow them to impose a status quo such that they will sell F16 to Pakistan and we will be forced to buy F22 then they will keep bullying us forever. They will coach us into thinking that the US sells a weapon to Pak...
  15. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    It's not just glib that I am worried about, it's the brute force bullying that makes us vulnerable. Consider the 3 Billion $ Mistral ship deal that Russia had already paid in full to buy the 2 amphibious ships from France. The US literally bullied them to stop it. My objection to JVs with US is...
  16. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    What kind of arrangement do you think it will be where India get's everything it wants without giving anything to the US? why would the US agree to such a deal? Which strategic objective of the US does it fulfill to let India have top of the line US systems? their other asset, Allah's own...
  17. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    Notice that most of these are aerial platforms that the IAF is responsible for recommending at the expense of domestic industry. As long as that Chutiyappa called IAF exists in its current form, this will continue. Don't be surprised if French and American pilots are imported to fly IAF planes...
  18. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    @Keshav Murali @Bahamut Yup, we don't need this white elephant. We wanted the M777 Howitzer but they kept us hanging for that, and now they want to force us to buy these planes that we don't need.
  19. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    Government in the US is a joke. It's a pawn of the corporate. They have removed many such bans in the past after sanctioning India in 1999, because it was hurting their defense industry.
  20. Nuvneet Kundu

    "F-22 raptor " to India ?

    +1 to what @HariPrasad-1 said. To add to it, there are many weapon systems that we manufacture but don't buy it for our own army. For example the Marine One helicopter (and all other helicopters of that model) are made 80% in HAL's facility in Hyderabad (body and rotor blades) and we export it...
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