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I wish they officially re-name TEDBF project as ORCA. It so fucking fits the whole project.

Because close coupled delta canards is probably the best design in the market. It will be even better than Rafale with 200kN thrust and DSI.

Fir vahi illiterate paki wali baatein. Mk1 is perfect replacement for Mig21 We need mirage2000 replacement so MK2 is here.

ADA is assigned to design , roll out and first flight HAL is only assigned to mass produce Itni si baat dimag me nhi ja rahi :frusty:

Yes, but upto roll out and first flight of prototypes, wouldn't this project be ADA's responsibility.

Better keep quiet if you don't know about the topic. First learn which dept holds which responsibility.

IAF has realised their diminishing sqdr strength, and that they need something for numerical advantage over Pakistan/western front. And Mk1 fillls that role perfectly.

It surely is .. decades of perfection. We have pictures of Rafale-M 's goa trials. Ittaking off from landbased ramp with 21T MTOW. I wonder if AC is also steaming ahead at 30 knots, can it take off with 23-24T . Which will be near identical to Rafale-C MTOW.

you are correct empty weight will definitely be higher than Rafale due to bigger fuel tank and heavier engines. But that's 17% extra dry thrust. I hope we are that efficient to not overshoot empty weight above 12T

That's when it gets full length land based runway.

Okay tell me what is Rafale-M MTOW as per your estimation ??

F414 - 0.840 lb/HR/lb st (w/o afterburner 50kN) M88 - 0.782 lb/(lbf⋅h 57.8 kN F414 will consume 1/13th more fuel but provides 1/7th more thrust. You can clearly see TEDBF can pull higher MTOW and super cruise.

Its not Rafale copy. Its better than that. RafaleM has maybe 21T MTOW from ramp. Testing for three key challenges - Rafale M image shows full load during the Indian Aircraft Carrier Vikrant (frontierindia.com) ORCA will take off with 30T tonne minimum vs 24.5T of Rafale. TEDBF has ~100kN...

I know. I am just replying to another user who wants HAL to pitch TEDBF land variant directly to the GOI. Still I might say it can happen. We cant have 400 AMCA. in 2040s we will have to find 4.5Gen replacement of SU30MKI.

No, what I meant is when TEDBF receives IOC by Navy.. there will be less boxes unchecked for IAF to whine against this project.

No 120 videshi planes, It will be 36 more Rafale of F4 standards and it ends there.

HAL will get the right to bypass IAF once TEDBF IOC takes first flight. HAL has to stick to Timeline.

nah. production rate is 24 for f-18 , US MI complex can start delivering within 2 years of signing and deliver 15-18 in 1.5 years to make minimum 18 requirement to make AC fully combat ready. its not good to waste precious life years of perfectly capable AC be it Vikramaditya or VIkrant. also...