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  1. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    Civilian maritime security agencies such as the Fisheries Law Enforcement Command, Maritime Surveillance and Coast guard vessels patrol and exercise China's sovereignty in territorial (including disputed) waters, not the PLAN, which does not count as "defense power". Many countries around the...
  2. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    Knowledge cannot be ascertained by nationality and such stereotypes are unfavorable to a dignified or productive debate. Only information supported by verifiable fact can be called knowledge; and very few of your comments can be backed up with verifiable sources. Actually... No. The latest...
  3. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    Chinese policy in disputed waters is to use civilian maritime authority vessels like the coast guard to enforce its maritime claims. The PLAN is almost always kept in reserve to avoid exacerbating territorial clashes. So don't expect any armed conflict in the SCS since neither Vietnam or the...
  4. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    Your comments lack factual depth... As usual. And you've (as usual) failed to address a single point i've made. Since when do Talwar's carry 64 shtils? Talwar's and the Gorshkov frigates they derive from have a single missile launcher forward of the bridge over a magazine that houses 24 45km...
  5. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    Off- Topic but... Carrier escort duty is not the only operational theater a 4000 ton frigate undertakes missions in. Anti-piracy, ASW missions, Air Defence, escort duty for amphibious vessels, etc etc are all operational requirements the Type 054A has satisfied in the Pacific and as far as the...
  6. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    Hahaha! Whatever man... Please quote where i said the Type 052's are equivalent to AEGIS ships? what i've been saying ( to a brick wall apparently) is that the Type 052's are significantly superior AAD platforms vis a vis the medium range SAM equipped Kolkata ( which have no medium range SAMs at...
  7. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    What are you saying dude? Whether you "think" it's been proven or not has no bearing on the reality that Type 052C and Type 052D are operationally available to the PLAN whilst MF star and Barak 8 aren't even operational yet. How can sailors work with a system that has yet to engage a target at...
  8. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    I don't dispute that the Chinese contractor's willingness to transfer technology to the Turks was a factor in HQ9's selection. As was its pricing strategy. But you're contradicting yourself. If Patriot is "outdated junk", why would Raytheon be unwilling to transfer that technology to a NATO...
  9. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    I don't think you understand the concept of a "proven" system. A system that has been fully evaluated and tested in the environment it is meant to operate in. A system that has been tested in realistic war like stimulations and in long range deployments and exercises against maneuvering targets...
  10. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    I don't know where you're getting your "information", but the HQ9 like any other long range air defence missile was designed to engage aircraft, ballistic missiles AND cruise missiles at extended ranges. It may be less maneuverable than the Barak 8, but it still has a similar minimum engagement...
  11. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    Those "hand me down s300s" still have a range of 120kms against high altitude targets, giving type 052C's and D's the capability to engage cruise missile launching platforms at extended range, just as the long range SM2 and SM3 can on AEGIS platforms. And even though the class is not as capable...
  12. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    Come on dude. We're not as immature as we're made out to be. Well I'm not at least. If it really were just the Barak systems missing, wouldn't INS Kolkata have begun sea trials already? HMS Daring began sea trials long before their Sea Viper SAM system came online, because MBDA hadn't ironed...
  13. J20!

    Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

    From the time INS Kolkata was laid down to date, the JN shipyard in Shanghai has produced and completed 4 type 052C's, with 2 more to begin sea trials before year end and has 4 examples of its next generation destroyer the 052D under varying stages of completion in its building halls and waters...
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