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  1. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Where did you get that?? I said 57 jets will cost 12 billion USD. Thats 210 million including everything.
  2. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    In 2018 estimate was 1.6 lakh crore total cost for 65k ton carrier and 57 jets ( rafale or f18). So approx 20 Billion usd. Now we know 57 jets alone will cost 12 billion so 65k ton carrier cost can be approximated at 8 billion USD. Given that vikrant has cost us 3.5 billion USD for Carrier...
  3. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    We ordered 29 mig29k in 2010 at 1.2 billion USD. So even if 16 mig29 were not included in 2.35 billion they wouldn't cost more than 800 millions. So all mig29k are 2 billion USD at most . https://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-Russia-to-ink-12-bn-deal-for-29-more-MiG-29Ks/articleshow/5460879.cms
  4. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Good let the ambiguity continue. Chinese had exactly zero carriers by 2012. When they were 8 trillion dollar economy. Even today their carrier air wing is useless with failed j15/su33 clone . And laoning is more of a training carrier than anything else. Meanwhile we have 2 carriers in...
  5. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Govt accepts the necessity of third carrier. Debate is raging about it's size ( similar to vikrant or Much bigger ) tech ( Catobar or emals) and aircraft ( tedbf or Rafale import)
  6. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    They'd sell the queen for right money. But buying a design does nothing to improve our own design and build capacity. So at best they can be consultants for Vishal while designing will be done from scratch in india .
  7. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    That's the part of the game . Whenever enemy ships are in your territory you let them know that they are tracked and marked and they let you know that they are prepared for it. Not doing it only emboldens the enemy. That's why nuke subs are so important. They are so fast underwater that...
  8. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Submarines can posture too while remaining stealth and without surfacing. Usual trick is to post a picture of enemy aircraft carrier/ destroyer in cross hairs of lurking hidden submarines. Release of such pictures is enough to send chill in the spines of enemy armada as well as strategic...
  9. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    US support or opposition does not change geographic reality. China has to land enough soldiers on Taiwan to defeat entire Taiwanese army/ airforce navy and then to rule it with force against will of Taiwanese people. It's even more difficult then it sounds. No one should dismiss chinese...
  10. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    I don't know where to start ! China doesn't have enough amphibious capacity to land any meaningful number of soldiers on coast of Taiwan. So even if there was no usa china still won't be able to conquer Taiwan anytime soon. By 2030-40 china might have enough amphibious capacity to lauch...
  11. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Yup but in my scenario we can get going with 45k ton carrier . A sister ship for Vikrant class. Which could come faster and cheaper. But it's all mute since navy seems confident on 65k ton giant with emals from usa.
  12. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    USA and India are not that close. USA never offered india f35 . Only f16 and f18 were offered. Even before india signed s400 f35 was never on offer.
  13. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Because A ) f35 is not available to us. And B) we are not restricted by japanese constitution to build small carriers .
  14. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/boost-to-indian-navys-capabilities-indigenous-aircraft-carrier-on-track-navy-to-get-170-ships-by-2027/2370958/lite/ Btw navy is confident of third carrier so there's that .
  15. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Look at the endurance of UAVs . They don't need to be stored on carriers permanently rather they could use carrier as runways to rest and enlarge their radius of Operations. Drones could be based on shore bases / islands / overseas bases but carrier runway would provide them a dynamic foothold...
  16. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Third carrier is part of naval planning since 2000s . It will come .
  17. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Logic to hai . Sea guardian is coming in . Tapas / rustom just performed atol. Unmanned drone can save a lot of space on a carrier . By removing human factors like accommodation / food etc. And drones are only getting advanced so a carrier that will serve us next 50-60-70 years should be...
  18. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Chinese can't even invade Taiwan but surely they will be able to takeover Andaman soon. Lol .
  19. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    We are in era of joint theatre commands now. Defending islands and coast line will be responsibility of peninsular command which will utilise assets of air force and navy as it sees fit .
  20. IndianHawk

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    We are picking up speed. It's partially have to do with economy as we reach chinese levels of economy we will be able to churn out just as much stuff with economy of scale. Exports are picking pace too having reached almost 2 billion USD levels already. And now govt has liberalized weapons...
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