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  1. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    P-15 family (including Alpha & Bravo) has a COGAG propulsion system. It doesn't run on diesel, its Soviet (now Ukrainian) engines are burning gas. Efficiency of gas when using low power is very poor (wrt diesel). It's normal for it to act like this. I believe you meant to write Project 15B? It...
  2. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    Why would it have only VL-SRSAM in mind? The Navy is actively involved in HCM & PG-LRSAM. I have nothing on UVLS, other than the project "exists". VL-SRSAM has its own VLU. Packing a single missile with <250mm in a UVLS (if it is similar in size to UVLM) will be a waste, even quad packing will...
  3. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    ASW? No. There are ships out there with ASROC & >4 HWTT. Aviation? There are ship smaller than P-15A/B that can carry 2 Medium Weight Helicopters. Never said they did. OK, let me get this straight, you think IN considered that there's no need for any SRSAM in their premier destroyer? I have...
  4. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    Thanks for this, I'll update my numbers.
  5. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    COGAG vs CODOG Zorya vs GE
  6. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    That's some 100m OPV
  7. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    Don't worry, I saved my source. 3300nm at 18 knots for P-15B 5000nm at 18 knots for P-17 5500nm at 16-18 knots for P-17A Burke is 4400-4900nm at 20 knots 052D surpasses both. For time period, P-15A/B & P-17/A can do 45 days. Pic credit - Vayu
  8. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    It is what it is. It hasn't reached its full potential & lacks some key systems. Only in anti-shipping, need not remind of Gorshkov. Delhi and Shivalik are armed with 32 SRSAM, they need not ditch the ASW rocket launcher to pack SRSAM, there's enough space on the foredeck & mid-deck. Trishul...
  9. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    P-15A/B aren't armed enough to do the job against a near-peer adversary. P-15A/B lacks a long-range SAM (like PG-LRSAM) and an SR-SAM (like VL-SRSAM). Hardly anyone questions the number of BrahMos in P-15A/B. My argument is, P-15A/B are ill-equipped for AAW. If you want to compare P-15A/B...
  10. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    OK. Share your source, and then I'll share mine.
  11. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    Smaller than both MK41 can quad pack a missile like MR-SAM (ESSM is >250mm) with just a bit more space. UVLM has to pack a BrahMos, and it can take multiple MR-SAM in it.
  12. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    3300nm (6100km) at 18 knots.
  13. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    Do you know the cruise range of P-15A/B?
  14. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    "looks" don't fight a war. Why are you booing him? That particular statement is correct. Kolkata doesn't have any SR-SAM or a long-range SAM. ...no, they are very large for a missile whose diameter is <250mm
  15. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    A pic of INS Visakhapatnam' (D66) launch in 2015- The bridge wasn't completed during its' launch, but Surat (D69) has it, nice Expect to see similar thing in Udaygiri, some parts of the hangar (i don't have the pic yet) Pic 1- Visakhapatnam/D66 Pic 2- Mormugao/D67 Pic 3- Imphal/D68
  16. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    That would be the case if the production run was longer than what it is for Vizag, & 72% is for Visakhapatnam Class, not just INS Visakhapatnam. There might be some increment in the indigenous content but not major ones as no "major" system is going to be "replaced" with an Indian one in the...
  17. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    I will say that you have overestimated PLAN' capability to project power far from its' backyard. In fact, their North Sea fleet will still be competing for dominance in its' area of responsibility in 2040 given the huge existing & planned build up by JMSDF & ROK Navy. They will not only be...
  18. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    1. You were the one who said "Well, I must have misremembered, it should be a replacement for Type 052B" 2. 053H3' radar & weapons are not "roughly the same" as 052B, the only *major* similarity is the use of same AShM. 3. The time period you talked about in your previous post- "performance of...
  19. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    1. It is neither a replacement or substitute to 052B, 052B >> 053H3. 2. YJ-83 is fine, I didn't say it was "bad", but not "very powerful" either (especially the load of 8 compared to 16 in 052B). ~fine 3. Delhi class destroyers used to have...
  20. Adm Kenobi

    Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

    053H3' production ended before the 052C' production ended, saying it's a substitute to the failed mass production of 052C wouldn't be correct. The mass production plan didn't really failed but was ~cancelled due to the introduction of 052D & the mass production that followed. 053H3 & 052C aren't...
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