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I do and as in the case of Tejas, we are no slave either, in fact the licence production parts keeps the programme alive, where would Tejas be without foreign engine, radar, nose...? So that statement of yours was completely false to start with. We can only be self reliant in areas where we have...

You mean like we do for all the foreign parts in Tejas?

Sadly no movement there, but that's the aircraft we really need and there is so much obvious potential to jointly develop it (Tata/Airbus avro replacement), but as long as the government remains so undecisive, nothing will happen other than poor marketing. As with most Indian projects, only...

Because we DON'T have an airframe yet, that's the point! We need 600 crores to develop the MK2 19 seater, because the current prototype is not good enough for serial production. So we still start from scratch as we did, when we took over the Russian design. And as explained, our industry...

When it has the same indigenous content as Saras, you are paying 600 cores for an Indian name, but that's it. For what purpose? IAF wants it as a trainer for transport aircrafts, besides the light transport role, just as civil airlines will require 2 pilots as well. Where did I said that? I...

Like what? We added own senors by DRDO for maritime surveillance, HAL has upgraded the cockpit as far as I remember and as shown, wants to field it for civil aviation too. So what's left that actually would make Saras more worth it, than the Do 228 we already have now in production? Back in the...

=> And there is the problem, a Do 228 is produced by HAL and TATA in India and has an indigenous content of 74% already. Also the Do 228 is already a 19 seater, so we are basically trying to achieve and compete with what we already have and it will cost the tax payer at least 600 cores.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=176701 Recap: http://www.domain-b.com/aero/aero_mfg/20080626_saras.html In the meantime: http://www.hal-india.com/HAL%20Bags%20Rs.%201090%20Crore%20Contract%20for%20Supplying%2014%20Do-228%20Aircraft%20to%20IAF/ND__100 Indigenous content of...

Do 228 takes up the place in our forces, by design / layout, the most comparable aircraft is the Piaggio P.180 Avanti: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti Maritime patrol is an option, just as Do 228 will be used with an DRDO naval search radar under the fuselage...

Sadly it isn't because it didn't met it's own development goals and gets minimum operational capability only with FOC. Gn8

If the results would be useful to defend the country yes, but that's simply not the case yet and "that's" what makes imports necessary. And I really hope that happens, but it only works if we improve ourself, learn from mistakes and make things with a more rational mindset. Excuses...

Without engines, the airframe can't fly, without radar, the fighter can't fight, without a working nose, the radar is underperforming. But I have no problem that they are foreign, because they still are better than the indigenously developed parts and they still keep the LCA programm alive. I...

Lol that's all you do on every topic! By the lack of proper arguments, all you do is find excuses. But that doesn't help any of the projects. It just proves bias, that's all. And this proves your bias once again, because you ignore that every main part of Tejas is foreign too, be it engine...

You can't compromise on the security of the nation. Pride doesn't defend the country, you need to provide our forces with a minimum capability to fight and not just some slogans, promises and a lot of excuses. The fact remains, as long as the industry is not up to the task, there is no...

Wrong, something is not better than nothing, because it needs to fulfil the minimum requirements to be useful in the first place. We can't accept developmenta that are below standards, just because they are indigenous, since it's the security of the nation that is on the line. And please don't...

Sadly the same once, that all our aviation projects have, drag and overweight: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/nal-starts-taxi-trials-of-improved-saras/article19647155.ece http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/01/after-16-years-and-rs-300-crore-civil.html?m=1 We pride ourselves...

AFAIK the initial RTA development is dead and last year HAL searched for a foreign JV partner, but since then no news on that. The future of Saras is questionable as well, we know that it still suffers from design issues and it requires large fundings to improve it and produce new prototypes. At...