IAF Demand for 250 Tejas MK2

[sgarg]

We see the necessity of creating two large sized aviation companies in the private sector. The government has to give the push by transferring LCA Tejas to private sector.

The fighters are a very critical need as nation's security depends on it. We need to build the plane with quality and quantity, and set up an ecosystem to nurture further aviation projects.

We realize that billions of dollars of investment is needed in the latest manufacturing technologies and processes to build the fighters that IAF is asking for.

We have to break the un-ending cycle of imports.

 

[biswaranjanrath.sipu]

In addition to that government should consider 50:50 PPP to fulfill future tejas need.

 

[Hari Sud]

Learn to fly the one you got well, first!

Express your desire to have more later.

 

[Pulkit]

Learn to fly the one you got well, first!

Express your desire to have more later.

What are you referring to... What is the point you want to highlight with these two statements?

 

[JBH22]

Tejas need no modification, As i told before the days of dedicated task Aircraft are gone ..

Tejas are multi-role fighter and used for multi-task operation just like SU-30MKI, Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen so does Mirage 2000 ..

Pierre Sprey begs to differ on your statement.

As per his rationale the different requirements of battlefield is contradicting to fit it in a single multirole platform.

If you take Kargil war can the Mirage-2000 be truly used in dedicated CAS role it was more used for precision bombing.

 

[Pulkit]

Pierre Sprey begs to differ on your statement.

As per his rationale the different requirements of battlefield is contradicting to fit it in a single multirole platform.

If you take Kargil war can the Mirage-2000 be truly used in dedicated CAS role it was more used for precision bombing.

Pierre Sprey is a extremely learned person.... His points are true to a certain extent when he says you cannot have the best from the same aircraft for all the roles,,,, True very true but when we talk about multiple role we don't go for expertise we true to make a"jack of all traits" who can do almost everything we need.....

F35 which he and me too totally dislikes is a lot different from what we are talking about TEJAS.....

Tejas doesnot only rely on one factor mainly like F35 that is stealth.....
Its smaller and got better wings..... @Kunal Biswas was pointing a similar thing.... when he said no longer we need dedicated A/C you need more numbers in that case which no one likes ....
They might not be so efficient but they get the job done....

Though with the changing times we might find All in One Aircraft .... and hope we be the one to build it.....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their is no concept of dedicated CAS fighter in IAF, Let it be precision bombing or simple bomb run if its for a close air support then its fall in for CAS, Even a MI-17 provided CAS ..

If you take Kargil war can the Mirage-2000 be truly used in dedicated CAS role it was more used for precision bombing.

 

[Kharavela]

Their is no concept of dedicated CAS fighter in IAF, Let it be precision bombing or simple bomb run if its for a close air support then its fall in for CAS, Even a MI-17 provided CAS ..

Exactly, why should a fixed wing aircraft needed for Close Air Support, when we can use LCH / AH-64D / Mi-28N for that purpose. In particular, Helicopters can hover & move in sync with the ground units while fighters / bomber jets can't.
For precision bombing, LCA should be more than capable of beating the hell out of the adversary.

 

[JBH22]

Exactly, why should a fixed wing aircraft needed for Close Air Support, when we can use LCH / AH-64D / Mi-28N for that purpose. In particular, Helicopters can hover & move in sync with the ground units while fighters / bomber jets can't.
For precision bombing, LCA should be more than capable of beating the hell out of the adversary.

Choppers cannot carry heavy payloads and cannot sustain damages like platforms such as Su-25 & A-10.

 

[sgarg]

Choppers cannot carry heavy payloads and cannot sustain damages like platforms such as Su-25 & A-10.

While you are correct, the nature of battlefield facing India is different.

I think LCA is fine for India's need. The critical issue is numbers.

 

[JBH22]

While you are correct, the nature of battlefield facing India is different.

How different? Care to explain

I think LCA is fine for India's need. The critical issue is numbers.

LCA is much better than flying MIG 21 even I don't disagree. In fact I do believe we should emulate Russian way they inducted SU-24 with its imperfections and based on feedback from soviet airforce the improvements have been made in subsequent production batches.

IAF is nipping this project in the bud with its quest for perfection.

 

[sgarg]

First of all, I have not seen IAF moving a case to acquire Su-24 or Su-25.

IAF wants more helicopters and is in the process of getting them. So the thinking is clearly using attack helicopters for ground support role.

Now Jaguar vs Tejas: Tejas can fly better in the mountains as proved by experience of Mirage 2000, on which Tejas is based. So for precision attacks from high altitude, Tejas is a better choice. Tejas also comes with integrated defensive features which help in the attack role.

I am no technical expert on fighters but just looking at basic specs like low wing loading which gives good low level flight characteristics, the ability to drop dumb bombs, smart bombs, rockets etc makes LCA Tejas suitable for ground attack. It is not a dedicated ground attack fighter so its lacks certain features but it can be used in the ground support role.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

When their is no concept of such things you are talking in IAF, Its null to add anything fruitful to discussion and topic at hand ..

Let be the end of this comparison of apple and oranges ..

Their is no concept of dedicated CAS fighter in IAF,

we should emulate Russian way they inducted SU-24 with its imperfections and based on feedback from soviet airforce the improvements have been made in subsequent production batches.

First of all, I have not seen IAF moving a case to acquire Su-24 or Su-25.

Choppers cannot carry heavy payloads and cannot sustain damages like platforms such as Su-25 & A-10.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The topic is ' Can Tejas provide CAS ? ' , The answer is yes, But if its dragged to compare with a dedicated Ground attack aircraft with a mulit-role platform, then this discussion is simply going now where ..

 

[Kharavela]

The topic is ' Can Tejas provide CAS ? ' , The answer is yes, But if its dragged to compare with a dedicated Ground attack aircraft with a mulit-role platform, then this discussion is simply going now where ..

Exactly... That is what I wanted to say. LCA is very much capable of CAS needed by front-line units. Now, HAL should churn out more numbers from its assembly line & IAF need to order more so that HAL assembly line would not be idle.

 

[tejas warrior]

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