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  1. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    ^^^Or else they can name it as 'Heera Mandi'...I hope arabs can spell it. ;)
  2. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Nitesh, they want to change their country's name because their Arab brother's are not able to spell it properly.:happy_7:
  3. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    I suggest beoble's rebublic of bakistan. Or Islamastan with its capital Islamabad.
  4. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4rCNOC3-0g This was shown on Geo's Capital Talk, by Hamid Mir, to show the hatred Bharatiyas have for Pakistan. Incidentally, in this episode, Hamid Mir and others debate whether Pakistan's Kashmir policy has failed because in the recent Manmohan Singh...
  5. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Ajtr, I understand and completely agree with what you are saying and I felt the same thing until few days back. But after thinking about it a lot, I think our elites had their limitations. You have to remember that India is not a super-power. Pakistan, as you rightly pointed out, has been...
  6. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Praveen, the easiest way to break Pakistan would be to somehow bring sindhis or pastuns close to the seat of power. Pakjabis will never accept the loss of power and may break the country themselves. And Pakjabis get power through the army. So, army needs to be sindhised or pastunised. Zardari...
  7. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Ajtr, lets not get all doom and gloom about our policy. Both India and Pakistan started from keel in 47. In many ways, the challenge faced by India was bigger and complex. Different religions, languages, traditions, opinions, castes, and races. Bigger country, greater population, more poverty...
  8. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    If and when millions of pakistanis come to wagah border, India would have no other option but to enter the Pakistan through armed forces, sanitise the area and send the refugess back to their places. I expect new nations to be formed out of such a turbulance. Perhaps there would be no more...
  9. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    So, before partition they were enamored by the arabs and as soon as they got a chance, they changed their ancestory and claimed arabic descendence. Who should be really hurt at this move? Their ancestors! If I refuse to accept my father as my real father and claim someone else as my father just...
  10. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Nitesh, I dont see any out for the pakistani for their identity crisis. Even if they admit their ancestors were hindus, they will say in the same breath that their ancestors were jahil and are now burning in hell. How can anyone be proud of 'jahil culture'? But I agree, they may use this as a...
  11. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    While this is a truth, it is only a partial truth. The complete truth is that even the private schools and Govt schools teach a syllabus which is 'hindu bashing' and 'india bashing' along with cultivating 'suicide bomber' mindset. Read the article above posted by DareDevil. It will give you an idea.
  12. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Nitesh, I didnt get it. Are you saying that they want to come back to their roots because they realise their doom is near? What do you mean by come back to roots: become friendly with India? convert to hinduism? acknowledge their hindu roots and become moderate muslims?
  13. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    True. But interestingly those who do admit of their hindu ancestory seem to trace it to elites only. This is strange. No one says, "yes, we were hindus before and my ancestors were lower castes or some obscure castes". Instead, the pakistanis (those few who admit of hindu ancestory) trace it to...
  14. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Vinod, this trait is shared by most abramic religions. I think indic religion are more liberal in this regard because as far as most indic religions are concerned, just conversion is not enough, it is seen as continous process till one reaches god or become one with god. Buddhism, Jainism...
  15. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    ^^^ He says 'let us admit'. That means that the majority and especially the elites(the policy determiners and media) are in denial that they were once Hindus. Secondly, he claims that they converted through the ways of Sufis. That may be true, but it is also possible that their ancestors might...
  16. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Frankly, peace is not possible as long as Pakistan exists in its present state.
  17. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Yes, Pakistanis are progressing lot. They have advanced from Zakir Naik to Zaid Hamid.... Yes, those people need to branded first as kafirs, munafiqs,...etc. Yes, but one can always harvest them to fund 'Jihad' against the kufr. Yes, they have been given the exalted status of being...
  18. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    RaySir, you serious?!! Zia's actions were the next logical step in the evolution of Pakistan. The very idea of Pakistan would eventually descend into this and it was quite clear to everyone at the time of its inception itself. Here is Maulana Azad's interview: Maulana A K Azad's interview...
  19. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    Yes, I know, but I was curious to know what he thought he should have done...and by not doing it, he branded himself a 'sinner'. It gives a key to his thinking.
  20. johnee

    Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

    What 'good deed' according to him did he not do? Why does he call himself sinner? Can you shed some light on this?
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