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What are you talking about? Flankers are not airframes mean to be used close to the front lines, and the reason is simple. The Mig-29 which is less expensive is suppose to perform this role. The Mig-29 engines were designed to be cheap and easily replaceable with plenty of stock in case they...

What your talking about is the radar stealth which is becoming more affordable to track and possibly produce. The only thing the 2 aircraft you mentioned have in common is their size, allowing them to fit F-7 cold war era bomb shelters, not sure about the J-10 and fast scramble to short take...

I believe they got the same level or near the same level of ToT. Fact 1 China paid a lot more to the russians than India did. China bought 200 Su-27s off the self from Russia. agreed, they did it to catch up. What i'm saying is that Chinese and Pakistanis believe China has already made it...

my mistake. J-15 J something abz. Even Sukio markets Su-27SM as a Su-35. But yea I know. Janes has already reported on the ToT transfer of Su-35. If China was doing so well in the avaition market they wouldn't have paid for ToT for essentially a expensived up Flanker. Exactly what India...

your ignorance is on another level. If China has J-15s for naval strike role, why did they buy the SU-35s? They could get 4 sqds instead of just 24 magic Su-35s. Does this make logistical sense to you? really, hard to do with out help from the west wouldn't it? Western level? WTF does that...

Yea, and the F-18 provides carrier borne abilities and the F-15 are being utilized as MLU to make them operable for longer periods and perhaps cheaper runs. But America isn't buying Su-35s, and you haven't explained why China didn't buy the Su-34 for naval strike role. The J-20 and J-15...

agreed. It is a young platform but the Su35 is based off a mature platform going on seniority. There is still no excuse to buy Su-35s...unless China received ToT with this purchase which would make sense because a year after, China miraculously had an "indigenous" engine with TVC power a...

lol what? Su-35 isn't? Mind you its not exactly new but the materials are expensive especially when its foreign maal. The range still doesn't make sense. The Flankers provide the same ranges give or take. Even if you extend the range you still have tired pilots so maybe you need 2 pilots to...

why? that doesn't make any sense. The J-11ABZ and J-15 are said to be more advanced and have the same specs or even better. China could have bought 50 J-15s for the price of 24 odd Su-35s ontop of that a low RCS fighter like J-20 would have been a better choice for sea role no? It least the...

Su-30MKI? I don't see flankers taking risks in Pakistan. This is what Artillery, ballistic missiles are for. How are PAF going to deal with the massive short range, accurate firepower of the IA? Good point. I was also wondering why they would add on the weight of additional hardpoint on the...

ever heard of politics? politics is the reason why IAF has Su-30s instead of F-15 silent eagles. Politics is the reason IAF has both Mirage and Mig-29. Politics is the reason PAF has JF-17 instead of ToT Gripen which is better at filling all the roles of the JF-17. Politics. Technically, PAF...

None of that. Those 500 or so AMRAAMs are the biggest threat. Those Chinese weapons are lacking things to be desired which is why they have 2 sources. Imagine the quality of Russian weapons. Imagine Chinese weapons. The Chinese don't really have support system in place for their products...

Thats got to be worst trainer ever. Imagine a unreliable engine in your car when your trying to get your license. Each red light the engine craps out. You think you'll get your license than?lol. Its a lot but its the worst trainer. Lack of combat aircraft for new pilots will require both...

Yea more capable than the Bison but a lot more expensive and not retired anytime soon. OTOH its reliable as 3 legged horse. Think about it yaar. You think the Super 7 or JF-17 or J-10 was orginally envisioned with a Russian engine? For the JF-17 its weakness are major. Unlike the J-10 the...

The difference thats glaring and unavoidable is the quality control. one received audit reports and a transparent report on progress while the other was pushed into service lacking critical components of 4th generation fighter and even basic facilities. in short, you get what you paid for.

Feel good don't you living in BS lies? The canards we designed for extra lift in flight to even out the bars radars. IAF picked up some extra features, on top of that HAL makes MKI 5% smaller than the original. Take this pill, HAL produces the MKI inhouse more so than Pakistan produces the...

No, Hal can produce the engine, problem is do they want to? The cost associated with the Al-41 engine is huge. Especially when re-engine-ning is also true. The future of the MKI line will be Pak-Fa and perhaps we will see more. Its economics. You have to admit, the JF-17 is nothing but a...

Can't change engine with license production? You sure? Cause your chinese friends are doing it and the Russians are still selling them engines and everything except the most advanced systems.

Thats one thing i've been saying for a while. Pakistan doesn't need a large air force anymore. Its liability. Perhaps its not intended for India. Perhaps.

wrong! The JF-17 is a mutilation of the J-7 which is a copy of Mig-21. Hence the name JF-17 The F-1 would be the super seven project, thats also in the name. But this would be why the JF-17 is extremely limited in build technology. Simple airframe, hardly any composites, lost of rivets...